tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post8365947947766206697..comments2024-03-26T03:31:06.199-04:00Comments on Ask a Korean!: #NotYourMascot, and Why You Should CareT.K. (Ask a Korean!)http://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-28216925700170283312014-05-26T06:43:53.434-04:002014-05-26T06:43:53.434-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Reinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593593270177527910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-28127929491651892572014-05-25T08:26:14.825-04:002014-05-25T08:26:14.825-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Reinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593593270177527910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-28314505777929220032014-05-20T09:17:25.814-04:002014-05-20T09:17:25.814-04:00so when can we expect you to get behind the effort...so when can we expect you to get behind the effort to change the name of the celtics?baghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09016629936778653469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-35437385951075325592014-04-30T14:30:57.906-04:002014-04-30T14:30:57.906-04:00@lineoffense
As I stated originally, the fact tha...@lineoffense<br /><br />As I stated originally, the fact that there were Indian raids doesn't justify what happened, but it does put it in perspective. And there is a difference between Indian raids post- and pre-Revolution, because pre-Revolution the Indians were more of a real threat to the survival of the colonies, whereas post-Revolution the writing was pretty much on the wall.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17226758157157715512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-91352763196928328582014-04-27T16:52:13.186-04:002014-04-27T16:52:13.186-04:00I don't know where to post so I am posting her...I don't know where to post so I am posting here.<br /><br />I am not just angry, I am fucking outraged. I understand that a disaster can happen in any country at any moment. But this is just unbearable to think that in modern day Korea a ship carrying more than 300 people on board appears under no safety regulations and without any emergency training procedure. How in the world were they permitted to take 3 times the cargo weight? What were they thinking about asking some inexperienced sailor to steer the huge boat at a high speed?<br /><br />The captain, who gave orders to innocent obedient teens to stay inside (this coming from a captain sounds like the worst possible choice and I am not even an expert to figure this out) is the among the first people off the boat. We see him cuddling his blanket at the moment as all the students he left behind are drowning in their cabins... WTF??? No, seriously, what was he thinking about at that moment? His retirement? This tragic event exposes the ugly hidden dangers of hierarchy in Korean society and the heavy toll those on the bottom have to pay for following the rules. <br /><br />I think one lesson that all Korean parents must learn from this disaster: when something is wrong, don't listen to anybody and save your ass any way you possibly can. <br /><br />"High suicide rate has something to do with the industrial development".... What a crappy unsupported statement it was! The captain gets to live and tries to defend his cowardly actions, yet the school principal who suggested the trip and was saved takes his own life. How can it even be possible?<br /><br />I think Korea as a country MUST learn many important lessons from this great tragedy for it to never happen again. <br />1. SAFETY FIRST. SAFETY ABOVE ALL.<br />2. No matter how experienced a captain is, he is only as good as his third assistant.<br />3. If you are a captain and you abandon your sinking ship and leave the passengers behind you to die, you are a disgrace to the nation.<br />4. What is good about all this rigorous testing if when people do not perform when the time comes? Stop all unnecessary testing. Practice the skills you need in real life every single day.<br /><br />VBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12803121458189359614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-44209946427454626622014-04-27T12:47:39.879-04:002014-04-27T12:47:39.879-04:00@Matt,
I don't doubt that there were Indian r...@Matt,<br /><br />I don't doubt that there were Indian raids pre-Revolution, just as there were raid post-Revolution. <br /><br />But so what? Whites were violently taking over their lands. Not necessarily mass killing after mass<br />killing. But large event slaughters followed by pacifistic periods. Attempts at "legal" means, purchase<br />of lands and settler expansion. Some puny raids by various tribes doesn't change the nature<br />of the expansion. <br /><br />You magnify these raids as if it changes the balance of what occured. Essentially, God's creation<br />replaced by white creation by totalitarian means.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17753523844065633351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-48298760268242438822014-04-27T09:29:37.127-04:002014-04-27T09:29:37.127-04:00Do you seriously think that I don't know about...Do you seriously think that I don't know about Minneapolis Lakers and Brooklyn Dodgers, about the George Mikan era and the Ebbitt Field?T.K. (Ask a Korean!)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-38267243583066308892014-04-26T22:34:12.592-04:002014-04-26T22:34:12.592-04:00"There is no lake in Los Angeles to speak of,..."There is no lake in Los Angeles to speak of, and there is no trolley to dodge in the streets."<br /><br />I thought you were a real fan of the Southland's professional sports teams. If you were, you'd know that there are more than 10,000 lakes that the Lakers were named for and Brooklyn had a few trolleys back in the day before they moved to la la land and kept the name to keep some of their fans on their cross-country move. At least the Dodgers are no longer known as the Bridegrooms. <br /><br />It's not that "pro sports in America is a giant inside joke and we are all just playing along," and you lose a bit of your "cred" by not knowing the origins of "your" teams (one of which has been in existence for over 130 years). <br /><br />However, you are right about about the Redskins name, but billions of dollars are at stake with a name "everyone" who cares about football knows. And football is just about all that matters in the U.S. when it comes to sports.John from Daejeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08431973044799010218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-86018970001817199822014-04-24T12:28:22.895-04:002014-04-24T12:28:22.895-04:00By the same token, just because you personally fin...By the same token, just because you personally find something offensive, doesn't mean it's reasonable. I repeat: let the people directly concerned, i.e. native americans, decide if they are offended by this name of a football team. Blacks and Asians have made their views on the terms 'Negroes' or 'Orientals' pretty clear, so there was no question of white people deciding the issue on their behalf; and there shouldn't be in this case either.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17226758157157715512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-53776703959597685492014-04-24T12:09:24.921-04:002014-04-24T12:09:24.921-04:00If you read the post a little more carefully you w...If you read the post a little more carefully you will see that that line about invariably exaggerating Indian atrocities for propaganda purposes is referring to the campaigns conducted during the revolutionary war. I don't doubt it, but I've already explained that I'm talking about the pre-revolutionary period. If you're interested in the truth about history, you need to be careful about drawing conclusions that the evidence doesn't justify, such as that a study of campaigns in the 1770s and 1780s tells you all you need to know about colonists and Indians in the 1670s and 1680s. And you can't dismiss my arguments on the basis of my race, which could be Tibetan for all you; you can only present counter arguments and evidence.<br /><br />You're right that I'm white. Now show me where I exaggerated, show that I do it invariably, and for propaganda? That's just a label that enables you to ignore facts you are uncomfortable with, and isn't that just what people used to do with the facts of Indian genocide, i.e. ignore them?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17226758157157715512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-12411904311931796702014-04-24T07:58:22.552-04:002014-04-24T07:58:22.552-04:00pretty nice blog, following :)pretty nice blog, following :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-73281564112256710272014-04-23T12:57:59.124-04:002014-04-23T12:57:59.124-04:00There was a very big backlash against that Survivo...There was a very big backlash against that Survivor season which pitted races against each other. The fervor would have undoubtedly been much worse had Survivor used the terms 'Negroes' and 'Orientals'. And for the record, you would be hard pressed to find an African American who prefers to be called a Negro or an Asian who prefers to be called Oriental. They are both archaic, semi derogatory terms which was used by Europeans to denote these groups as "others". Just because these terms aren't on the same level as other hateful slurs, it doesn't mean they weren't and still aren't used to to deride these groups.<br /><br />Using a Redskin mascot is absolutely using someone's race as entertainment. It encourages fans of that team to dress up as an often sloppy offensive caricature of Native Americans. You only need to google these images to see how many White people like to dress up as Native Americans and "act Indian". It's egregious and needs to stop. <br /><br />Also, bringing up New Englanders/Yankees is a straw man argument. New Englanders/Yankees is not a race and even if it was a proxy for whites who lived in New England, they have never been a discriminated group. There is a huge difference between privileged Whites creating mascots to poke fun at themselves like the "yankees" and "fighting irish" and completely different for whites to go ahead and create caricatures of other races. I hope you can understand that just because you personally don't find something offensive, doesn't mean it's unreasonable for others to find it so.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917473117898733054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-78769198550112283352014-04-23T09:54:17.375-04:002014-04-23T09:54:17.375-04:00@Matt,
Did you read the post? Here's what it ...@Matt,<br /><br />Did you read the post? Here's what it said:<br /><br />"The United States invariably ....exaggerated and publicized the few Indian atrocities for propaganda purposes."<br /><br />Now subsitute you in the sentence.<br /><br />"Matt invariably ....exaggerated and publicized the few Indian atrocities for propaganda purposes."<br /><br />Do you see what you are doing? The same thing. This is why I stated only a very small minority of white are capable of discussing native genocides around the world clearly.<br /><br />It's just too deep. The only way to get at this issue is by an empowered alliance of colored peoples around the world. Possibly have some tribunals, like they did at the Nuremberg trials. Get the point across!<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17753523844065633351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-44062450262406318182014-04-22T15:11:40.746-04:002014-04-22T15:11:40.746-04:00It's not important what we feel comfortable wi...It's not important what we feel comfortable with; it's important what Native Americans feel comfortable with, so let them discuss it and decide (if they don't have more important things to do).Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17226758157157715512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-75009942477870055052014-04-22T15:09:37.799-04:002014-04-22T15:09:37.799-04:00'Gooks' is clearly derogatory; 'Redski...'Gooks' is clearly derogatory; 'Redskins' isn't.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17226758157157715512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-27734017097923088082014-04-22T15:06:58.389-04:002014-04-22T15:06:58.389-04:00I don't wish to deny the widespread practice b...I don't wish to deny the widespread practice by whites of scalping victims, of rape, and of burning towns. George Washington was particularly notorious in his day for atrocities against Indians.<br /><br />I am referring, however, to the era before George Washington, when Indians would raid the 13 colonies. Some would come down from Canada raiding as allies of the French, and they would indeed, as I said, raid small towns at night, take prisoners and kill those who couldn't keep up, often children. This is from firsthand and well-documented accounts. The colonists of the time were particularly concerned about the fate of their captured loved ones and negotiated for their return with French authorities, often with little result, which was partly for the reason that the French had little direct authority over the Indians concerned.<br /><br />I don't know how you can prove a statement like 'Indians....never raped female captives' considering you are talking about hundreds of years and hundreds of different kinds of Indians and hundreds of different situations. Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17226758157157715512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-36598816214880705652014-04-22T14:54:16.426-04:002014-04-22T14:54:16.426-04:00If it was a neutral sounding name for a race, I do...If it was a neutral sounding name for a race, I doubt anyone would have a problem with it. Survivor divided up teams into asians, hispanics, whites, and blacks once, and no one cared.<br /><br />Still, I take your point that I could make the same argument for the words 'Negro' and 'Oriental' since they were both regarded as acceptable inoffensive terms in past eras. I just find it hard to believe people are genuinely offended by the name 'Redskins', so it seems like a case of white people becoming outraged on another group's behalf, without being called on to do so. How about <br />instead of asking whether we would feel comfortable calling someone a 'redskin', polling the native american community for their opinions on the matter?<br /><br />I don't think there's any question of using someone's race as 'entertainment': it's not as if you are making another ethic group dance on stage. Do New Englanders complain that they've been commodified in the name 'Yankees'? And just how butthurt is everyone going to get over the issue of names? It seems like everyone has to be more and more careful about names that aren't even intended as insults to begin with, when there are so many more important issues to deal with, including the issue of protecting free speech.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17226758157157715512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-75854946711359043112014-04-22T14:39:38.836-04:002014-04-22T14:39:38.836-04:00a good piece, but Abe Pollin and Dan Snyder actual...a good piece, but Abe Pollin and Dan Snyder actually believe in the same thing: money. saying that names matter "because the values reach out and touch us" is a nice phrase, but i don't think that explains why LA is home to the Lakers or the Dodgers and why Angelenos would not approve changing the names to something more LA-centric. imagine having to explain to your child who has only know the LA Stars that Kobe was a star player with the LA Lakers, which actually is the same team despite having a different name and uniform. it does not work. <br /><br />as you probably know, it is rather all about the goodwill built into the name over time that can be translated into loyalty which equals money. this is why the Redskins remain the 3rd most valuable franchise in the NFL despite winning their division only twice in the last 20 years (mostly finishing 4th or 5th). when the Wizards changed their name, the Bullets had been one of the worst franchises in the NBA in terms of record and attendance, had just acquired Chris Webber, was moving into the new MCI center and needed a re-boot in order to cut ties to a rather sorry past.<br /><br />if the Redskins did not have such a storied history (80+ years) playing in the nation's capital (DC has always been a football town) in front of every President, i'm sure Snyder would have dropped the name long time ago. <br /><br />http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/02/why_abe_pollin_went_from_bulle.htmlNo Namehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16691075310251686448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-54226642223182841762014-04-22T13:55:53.477-04:002014-04-22T13:55:53.477-04:00Is it not enough that Native Americans don't w...Is it not enough that Native Americans don't want their entire people commodified in to a name of a sport team? And don't you think its especially inappropriate given the history of mass genocide they had to endure from White Americans? This isn't just an issue of the word having a pejorative meaning today, it's an issue of RACE being turned in to a sports commodity. What right do you have to use someone's race as your entertainment or as your "reminder" of the past? Following your logic, the word "Negro" and "Oriental" should be up for grabs as well! Why not the Washington Yellow Orientals or Washington Black Negroes or Washington Brown Hispanics?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917473117898733054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-43724651655371780442014-04-20T13:03:37.702-04:002014-04-20T13:03:37.702-04:00@Matt
George Washington's War on Native Ame...@Matt<br /><br /><br /><br />George Washington's War on Native America:<br /><br />https://muse.jhu.edu/journals/journal_of_the_early_republic/summary/v031/31.3.leibiger.html<br /><br />"Several common themes run through these campaigns. The United States invariably covered up its own atrocities but exaggerated and publicized the few Indian atrocities for propaganda purposes.<br />Whereas Indians did not kill prisoners (soldiers or civilians) and never raped female captives, Americans took the lives of combatant and noncombatant Indians alike, often scalping or skinning their victims. The women who were spared were often raped. Outnumbered and powerless to stop the U.S. forces advancing toward them, Indians abandoned their towns to the enemy, who looted and burned them. For example, Mann calculates that Sullivan's 5,000 troops destroyed 41 Indian towns, "<br /><br />I wouldn't trust any early commentary by white settlers. Obviously the Indians around then weren't perfect people. But white cultural history and the process of native genocide is so imbedded into white subconsciounesss and consciousness, only a small minority of whites are capable of discussing native genocides around the world clearly. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17753523844065633351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-67522595739113103512014-04-20T08:55:48.560-04:002014-04-20T08:55:48.560-04:00@lineoffense
'Redskin' has no pejorative ...@lineoffense<br /><br />'Redskin' has no pejorative intent; it does have negative historical associations.<br /><br />@Unknown<br /><br />Referencing the colour of someone's skin is not negative: 'black' refers to skin colour but isn't negative; most derogatory terms for Asians don't refer to skin colour.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17226758157157715512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-57545457631513604852014-04-20T08:45:57.898-04:002014-04-20T08:45:57.898-04:00Raiders coming from Canada to Massachusetts were p...Raiders coming from Canada to Massachusetts were probably not doing it because their own territory had been infringed.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17226758157157715512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-11114413570227359012014-04-20T05:44:31.615-04:002014-04-20T05:44:31.615-04:00As a fan of the Washington football team, I too ag...As a fan of the Washington football team, I too agree that it is time to change the name of the franchise. I've written my own take on it though, because while the name itself is offensive, the logo is not.. necessarily (I can't unequivocally make that statement myself, but I would argue that it is as offensive as the buffalo nickel was.)<br /><br />This was written several years ago, and is a bit lengthy in the beginning, but worth a good read.<br /><br />http://yujinishuge.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/my-connection-with-the-redskins-the-native-american-mascot-issue/Eugenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06879374368982775572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-59099308043020819552014-04-19T19:16:16.126-04:002014-04-19T19:16:16.126-04:00@Matt,
It probably won't change the NFL. But ...@Matt,<br /><br />It probably won't change the NFL. But everything around the NFL is changing, so the NFL will too.<br /><br />Plus, it's always fun to slap the wicked boy in the room.<br /><br />Blacks didn't have the huge role whites had. And as Unknown very politely noted the Indians were being "infringed", <br /><br />@Unknown,<br /><br />Redskin is clearly a pejorative word. If it wasn't before, it is now. Like calling the Yankees "Pinheads". Or the Dodgers "Muds".<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17753523844065633351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-64423667025613274232014-04-19T08:15:19.219-04:002014-04-19T08:15:19.219-04:00Well yeah, they were a real threat because land th...Well yeah, they were a real threat because land that had always been theirs was being infringed upon by people who didn't care to talk to them or, if they did, exploited them and made promises that they never intended to keep. It's as CJL said; if you wouldn't call a native american "redskin" to their face, then don't use the word elsewhere. And regardless of the original intent of the word, it took a negative connotation in the late 1800s. Even back to its origins, it is a word referencing the color of a particular race's skin. Should that really be used as the name of a sports team? Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418871476603451264noreply@blogger.com