tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post7832531215311071517..comments2024-03-26T03:31:06.199-04:00Comments on Ask a Korean!: What's Real in Korean Hip Hop? A Historical PerspectiveT.K. (Ask a Korean!)http://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-12394889936288860732016-10-11T04:11:36.828-04:002016-10-11T04:11:36.828-04:00this is quite interesting a topic. i'm very in...this is quite interesting a topic. i'm very invested in this because i'm considering writing about khiphop for an essay. i was wondering if you have academic sources for me to check out regarding verbal jint's influence? like which year/album did he start showing this new structure etc. whimsical-fantasisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03577348207460252447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-3816669244825560102016-07-21T06:16:00.004-04:002016-07-21T06:16:00.004-04:00I hate when people claim other cultures aren't...I hate when people claim other cultures aren't allowed to do hiphop. Blacks and Latinoes(people love to forget Latinoes originated hiphop aswell) do ot bave a monopoly on it. It's ridiculous. Or if anything they should be saying it's cultural so Korean America as should qualify as real by their logic. But for me I disagree still. Real hiphop for me is how it sounds. Not where it's from. Real hiphop has a certain feel to it. Lyricism being first and foremost, being creative with rhyme schemes and wordplay, delivery verbally and physically, good beats, culture. The under/over scene is a tricky one for me as a lot of commercial style and gesturing creep into the work of some lyrically good artists which can be extremely offputting. I'm always wary of supporting anything that might be watering the scene down. There are always beem a struggle with the under and over scene in US and abroad. For me that's the diff between real hip hop.darkangel3001https://www.blogger.com/profile/10966777008683152729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-55494746347552439062015-11-18T11:14:32.862-05:002015-11-18T11:14:32.862-05:00wow.. what a nice post. as it is too long for me t...wow.. what a nice post. as it is too long for me to cover with my English command.. sorry i could read it all. but I love Korean Hiphop as well. even if it sounds like transformative, Korean hiphop made its history on it won as other black hiphopDAILY KOREAN TALKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17355255819392873838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-61445481680934320822015-02-26T07:12:19.426-05:002015-02-26T07:12:19.426-05:00Apologise for double posting, but...
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"...Apologise for double posting, but...<br /><br />quote:<br />"The very first piece of K-pop that may be considered "hip hop" appeared in 1989. Hong Seo-beom [홍서범], a moderately popular rock musician, recorded a song called Kim Satgat [김삿갓]."<br /><br />So rap in Korea started by a rock artist. Just like in England! (Clash, I'm looking at your Magnificent Seven)Dac X Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293064862842657519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-15439014807875659712015-02-26T07:00:21.097-05:002015-02-26T07:00:21.097-05:00Now, I like rap music and the whole hip-hop sub-cu...Now, I like rap music and the whole hip-hop sub-culture kinda thing, but to be honest I don't really follow the scene. Anyway, having bands such as Public Enemy in mind as the example of "true", I'd say Korean commercial hip-hop is not much different from half of the American scene in terms of lyrics, judging from the songs I randomly hear every now and then. I say half, because, while American rappers include gangsta stories and the drugs and sex attitude, Korean mainstream rap is more about love relationships and personal thoughts, like... reflexive poetry. Or there are parodies and humorous lyrics.<br />I personally like what 용감한녀석들 The Brave Guys did (and I absolutely LOVE 신보라 Shin Bora!!!!! )<br /><br />What I am more curious about is the independent underground hip-hop scene in Korea. I think there might be some good true stuff to be found there. Got a lot of Punk stuff already. I better go searching.<br /><br />Anyway, two examples of a wrong perception of hip-hop in Korea are the following.<br /><br />1. Gag Concert. While this show produced the previously mentioned Brave Guys whose songs I still love hearing, later they started a hip-hop contest kinda corner which seemed to depict the hip-hop culture as "show me the money", I mean, in a way "money's cool, yo". I get it that it's just parody, jokes and all, but it doesn't feel too satirical to be honest. Anyway, nice corner, fun, those comedians do a great job, but I hope people watch it with more awareness.<br /><br />2. Now this is totally wrong. Once on a conversation classes (linguistics major, not important exactly) in this Korean university that I'm a student of, there was a topic about music, so in class we divided into groups and discussed each-other's musical preferences. My colleagues said they like hip-hop. And another colleague asked which group. And they said Big Bang. ......... And everybody's attitude towards this was as if Big Bang were naturally hip-hop artists by default. Why didn't I say anything about it? Meh, dunno, I was lazy maybe, maybe we had no time to start debates, anyway....<br />While I do appreciate Big Bang as one of the most successful pop bands in modern history, people, they are this - POP! Not hip-hop.... And yes, pop can contain rap parts too, as many European and American songs of the 1990's did, but nobody considered that hip-hop.<br /><br />All that said, don't ask me to define hip-hop or true hip-hop. There's no definition, there's the feeling.Dac X Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293064862842657519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-92147130123823395212015-02-25T13:22:55.906-05:002015-02-25T13:22:55.906-05:00I agree with you 100%. Not to sound like I am usin...I agree with you 100%. Not to sound like I am using the "I have black friends" card, but I do have Korean friends, so I know not every Korean or Korean-American is like that :) But, just like everything else in life, I've had both good and bad experiences, so have my black friends, and we all deal with it in our own ways. Like I said, everyone is different. <br /><br />I'm in the eastern U.S. (I've only been to California once in my life) so I didn't experience the riots, but I'm just old enough to remember the coverage of it (but I was still pretty young). I will say that how the tension between black and Korean people was portrayed by the media seems to still affect even people who weren't actually there, as media coverage tends to do. <br /><br />But anyway, I'm a Millenial, I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I still do acknowledge that there are people who still think in stereotypes--if not us, then our parents, whose opinion we sometimes pretend not to care about, but actually do ;) Even though it doesn't seem that way, I'm actually *optimistic*, but just as hip-hop isn't about mincing words, I did want to say a little something about the social complexity that is black-Korean/KoreanAm relations. zschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286379178924536583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-18395368048061573062015-02-25T11:11:08.997-05:002015-02-25T11:11:08.997-05:00Minor point, but Yoon Mia-Rae's real name is T...Minor point, but Yoon Mia-Rae's real name is Tasha. Albeit an American nicknamed version of Natasha, but just as real. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881081807750914892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-51754987408481998272015-02-25T07:16:27.989-05:002015-02-25T07:16:27.989-05:00You must be a Californian.Because I don't thin...You must be a Californian.Because I don't think the Korean communities on the east coast have experienced the same kind of racial strife that occurred in LA. The Washington DC area has the most rapidly rising Korean community in the country now. Unless there's something there going on I haven't heard of it. So being Korean American doesn't mean you have to be from Koreatown and carry around all that racial strife baggage. California is a great state but it's not the only state and it's not the only way Koreans experience being American. oldgalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300942268456541949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-10134606027406212442015-02-24T19:33:40.125-05:002015-02-24T19:33:40.125-05:00I'm a fan of Korean hip hop myself. I'm al...I'm a fan of Korean hip hop myself. I'm also a black female fan of black hip hop. I love them both.<br /><br />I will say though that there is resistance from some of my peers about the authenticity of Korean hip hop, and it has little to do with the music at all. Even in 2015, a social rift between black Americans and Korean Americans exists, either due to race, class, or both. I don't look down on anyone based on race or class, but I have been looked down upon by Korean Americans because of my race and (perceived) class (I say "perceived" because not one person who looked down on me actually knew my socioeconomic status, whether upper or lower). I know that Korean Americans =/= Korea-born Koreans in many cases, but (for better or worse) just as black Americans who travel to Korea, Korean Americans are perceived as kind of "ambassadors", and we think we know how are perceived by Korea-born Koreans by how we interact with Korean-Americans.<br /><br />I know that there are probably a million things wrong with that, but it is what it is.<br /><br />So in that way, some of my peers see Korean rappers and see yet more people who are willing to adopt and adapt forms of black American creative expression to their own voice (which I have no problem with) and yet do not embrace the experiences of black people. I don't mean that everyone has to like all of us--impossible, since everyone is different! But how about not condemning us as a race if a group of black people does something you don't like? And I'll speak up when someone around me replaces their Ls for Rs just for giggles. That's a fair starting point, I think. <br /><br />Even though it's "just music", we humans are social beings, and don't consume in a vacuum.<br /><br />And I will say I'm completely shallow when it comes to music and am a fan of mostly looks and tone of voice. I could listen to Simon D all day. Am I even "real" enough for this discussion? Lol.zschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286379178924536583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-15946395843267407542015-02-24T11:40:49.801-05:002015-02-24T11:40:49.801-05:00Nice post. I'll buy it since I can't have ...Nice post. I'll buy it since I can't have too much of an opinion not being able to speak or understand Korean. I can understand bits and pieces only. I will say that Verbal Jint sounds amazing just to listen too, without fully understanding. My ear can certainly detect the difference. oldgalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300942268456541949noreply@blogger.com