tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post3743033447366501746..comments2024-03-26T03:31:06.199-04:00Comments on Ask a Korean!: The Matters of Ornithoids and Apis MelliferaT.K. (Ask a Korean!)http://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-87250823224739120492012-09-02T03:53:08.065-04:002012-09-02T03:53:08.065-04:00I liked the article, its depth and its accessibili...I liked the article, its depth and its accessibility. I thought the 'fat check' specification you made re: Lewinsky was unnecessary and detracted from your credibility however. In an article that ostensibly aims to give insight on the plight of women caught in the sexual contradictions of Korea, its odd that Lewinsky (an intern and obviously astute opportunist) was downgraded to 'fat chick'. Seemed a little try-hard when a hundred other descriptors could have been employed. Anyway - good read overall.Dál Riatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04349308636346573575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-20747949303362844072010-11-25T00:53:08.216-05:002010-11-25T00:53:08.216-05:00thanks for the post i came across it gathering mor...thanks for the post i came across it gathering more info on n korea attacking south...loll<br /><br />nothing to laugh abt...deepest symphathies...<br /><br />.but since I watch tremendous amount korean tv..this always bothered me..that women r running naked in korea and all the girl groups moves are like strip dancing and yet they claimed to be chaste and looked down on american pop culture...<br /><br />when they are copying the american songs and dance moves hip actions and sex moves...lolllllllll<br /><br />i can understand somewhat better but its still frustrating..I am not compalining as to why they are wearing short skirts and air humping around in the music videos...but than don't claim urself to be chaste and all heavenly and look down upon other cultures...<br /><br />yeah also the korean adult movies!!!!!...never met such hypocrates...i can't even express my opinion on youtube unless being raped by 100's by their ignorance...i will used one of their fav word to describe the situation...pathetic...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01701390330734156055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-85421588199067110372008-12-24T00:41:00.000-05:002008-12-24T00:41:00.000-05:00I just wanted to add that Korea is one of the few ...I just wanted to add that Korea is one of the few countries in the world where adultery is a crime against the state. You would think that in a patriarchical society such laws would be sexist and women would object to it, but I think most Korean women support it. Usually it's the husband that breaks the law.<BR/><BR/>Also, one have to always bear in mind the tremendous generation gap in Korea. Korea is a country that has and is changing very quickly. What is true for one strata of the population is not so for another, and what was true just 10 years ago is no longer true today.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, I want to talk about the idea of "cheating." Not everyone goes to brothels, but a lot of high end business people do. The wives know what's going on, and often looks the other way. <BR/><BR/>This is in many ways holdover from neo-confucian chosun era days. (which really wasn't all that long ago.) Traditional couples did NOT marry for love. Marriage was bond of two clans to produce children and form an economic entity. A traditional wife would be more concerned about her status as the head of the household. (Koreans often refer to the wives as "Person in the house" as opposed to husbands who are "Person outside the house." Reflecting the expected roles of husband and wife.)<BR/><BR/>A good confucian husband is not someone who only has one wife. A good confucian husband is someone who brings wealth and status to the family. A rich man could take on concubines, but as long as he did not take away the status and priviledges of the first wife, this wouldn't be seen as immoral.<BR/><BR/>Good contraception is "relatively" new to Korea. If a woman had sex in the old days, she WOULD get pregnant. This has dire economic consequences for the woman and the clan. On the otherhand, if a man were to have sex with a woman and she got pregnant, he can deny that he had done the deed. I think it's this which really caused the old world sexual outlook.<BR/><BR/>You see the Josun era attitude in modern Korean, but as a newcomer to Korea, what you don't see is exactly how fast the society is changing. Just look at the rate of divorce in Korea---women wouldn't divorce in the past for her own economic survival. Divorce used to be something that a man would do to a woman to spite her.bobjones2https://www.blogger.com/profile/11210861404831745478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-80381116904704596902008-12-13T20:18:00.000-05:002008-12-13T20:18:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Miguk chonhnumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07695554200912433082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-29939177050169304762008-12-11T02:34:00.000-05:002008-12-11T02:34:00.000-05:00simply,this is just a stage of the whole progress,...simply,this is just a stage of the whole progress,or the whole progress took another direction in Korea?MaxieMillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04175866169573070293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-61376032982757190342008-12-11T02:22:00.000-05:002008-12-11T02:22:00.000-05:00the Korean:yeah but than...what about that,Korean ...the Korean:yeah but than...what about that,Korean women can wear miniskirts withouth labeled to whore,but women living in far more liberated countries,just can't wear without considered slutty?MaxieMillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04175866169573070293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-85036204820725540892008-12-10T12:53:00.000-05:002008-12-10T12:53:00.000-05:00Make no mistake: short skirts and showing legs are...Make no mistake: short skirts and showing legs are plenty sexual.<BR/><BR/>The post does not say much about how Korean women are supposed to behave <I>right now</I>. (That's probably why Scott thought it was dated.) But the Korean was not set out to describe the contemporary code of conduct for Korean women -- he was only trying to give a framework to understand the double standard with respect to sex in Korea.<BR/><BR/>What's going on is simple: Korean women are becoming more sexually liberated. Part of such liberation is to be able to show off one's sexiness without being instantly labeled as a whore. Exposing legs is along this trajectory. Back in the day (around 1970s or so), women wearing <I>jeans</I> was a big deal in Korea, because it showed their legs. Now? Obviously it's no big deal. It's not that showing legs is conservative. It is that in a more sexually liberal Korea (relatively speaking,) showing legs has become more acceptable.The Koreanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04328000772620833495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-37996371962046032552008-12-09T23:32:00.000-05:002008-12-09T23:32:00.000-05:00Great post! Like Lauren, I've had the same que...Great post! Like Lauren, I've had the same question about the super short skirts and knee high boots and high socks/tights. If I wore those things during the day at home, I would be considered slutty & trashy. Korean women never look slutty when dressed that way, though. I agree with Scott's reasoning for the short skirts vs. the low cut tops. Korean women do tend to have attractive legs. I still don't understand how short skirts can be considered conservative and non-sexual though. Isn't it universally understood that shorts skirts and high-heeled boots are sexy in nature? Surely the male fantasies can't differ that much between Korea and the U.S.MandyKathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13061959312087575814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-3389978999984068752008-12-07T22:28:00.000-05:002008-12-07T22:28:00.000-05:00That was very interesting. In Ireland, there was a...That was very interesting. In Ireland, there was a similar perception of "fallen" women as late as the 1980s. If a woman was perceived to be immoral, she was usually shipped off (with the consent of her family) to what was called a "laundry". These laundries were run by nuns and were de facto prisons for fallen women. The women who were in there were forced to do manual labour for no pay until old age. The film "The Magdalen Laundries" explores this topic in quite a shocking way.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06463150874316345269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-12900789724342308882008-12-07T17:33:00.000-05:002008-12-07T17:33:00.000-05:00Ratioanalitate,I don't know what picture you are l...Ratioanalitate,<BR/><BR/>I don't know what picture you are looking at, but I don't think I would ever mistake Miss Korea as being ethnically white.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18251591947919751870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-23433998634702801292008-12-07T05:48:00.000-05:002008-12-07T05:48:00.000-05:00Miss Korea looks white...but I guess the Miss Univ...Miss Korea looks white...but I guess the Miss Universe contest has a tendency to pick the racially-ambiguous onesStephen Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12118017106106571684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-36228447073808988262008-12-06T20:15:00.000-05:002008-12-06T20:15:00.000-05:00EDIT: Last line = "Just Ask a Korean!"This comment...EDIT: Last line = "Just Ask a Korean!"<BR/><BR/>This comment box is too small!King Baeksuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15106210206814275410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-54907098188693810752008-12-06T20:13:00.000-05:002008-12-06T20:13:00.000-05:00Calvin, camel-toe was just a cheeky reference to t...Calvin, camel-toe was just a cheeky reference to tight jeans.<BR/><BR/>But I do think exposing gams is the equivalent of exposing cleavage in Korea.<BR/><BR/>The bared shoulder is a secondary erotic body part that has also been out in the open for the past 5 years or so, and many Korean women also show their bra straps in public quite frequently.<BR/><BR/>Women are sex objects in Korea, just like in the West if not more so. Western women have been showing cleavage for a long time, just as Korean women have been showing gam for a long time as well.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure why that's such a controversial statement, except perhaps that when explaining local sexual mores to big-nosed barbarians, many Koreans tends to sugar-coat the truth.<BR/><BR/>Just Ask a Korea!King Baeksuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15106210206814275410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-25611674626885956252008-12-06T19:54:00.000-05:002008-12-06T19:54:00.000-05:00Scott,Let's not get too excited. Lauren's confusio...Scott,<BR/><BR/>Let's not get too excited. Lauren's confusion was regarding the approval on mini-skirts in contrast to cleavage.<BR/><BR/>If wearing mini-skirts were seen equivalent to showing camel-toe, it would not be as widely approved as it is today.Calvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11110001668421860209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-77682789044800338892008-12-06T19:22:00.000-05:002008-12-06T19:22:00.000-05:00Calvin and Lauren, I have a different opinion.Most...Calvin and Lauren, I have a different opinion.<BR/><BR/>Most Korean women have no tits or butt, so their legs are their most prominent erotic bodily feature.<BR/><BR/>Thus, wearing a "cookie-curtain" is a bit like showing your cleavage. Or camel-toe.<BR/><BR/>In other words, legs are the tits of Korean women!King Baeksuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15106210206814275410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-69888039932915300912008-12-06T14:49:00.000-05:002008-12-06T14:49:00.000-05:00Lauren,Mini-skirts are permitted because they are ...Lauren,<BR/><BR/>Mini-skirts are permitted because they are supposedly for showing off your legs. Legs are far less sexual than breasts or butt.<BR/><BR/>Obviously, mini-skirts can be(and are) interpreted as cookie-curtains, but the leg-interpretation gives them an excuse to wear it. Afterall, if you call them cookie-curtains, they can just call you a pervert and shrug you off.<BR/><BR/>Legs: good > mini-skirt: good<BR/>Breasts: bad > cleavage: bad<BR/>Butt: bad > super tight pants: badCalvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11110001668421860209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-21248659693641072282008-12-06T14:47:00.000-05:002008-12-06T14:47:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Calvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11110001668421860209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-3843793148118633782008-12-06T05:54:00.000-05:002008-12-06T05:54:00.000-05:00Hello The Korean,about this subject you can write ...Hello The Korean,about this subject you can write out of date staff like Scott said.That's why I really would like to see a post from Yeochin.pisipatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14486165665838814585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-48967818135723124762008-12-05T23:34:00.000-05:002008-12-05T23:34:00.000-05:00"I don't think that the change in sexual mores can..."I don't think that the change in sexual mores can be blamed on "western culture" in the form (in this case) of TV shows"<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you are partially correct. Korean men's attitudes certainly haven't changed as much, but such shows have certainly had an impact on Korean women's attitudes in this area.<BR/><BR/>A bigger factor, however, has been the Internet, which ironically comes from the West as well!King Baeksuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15106210206814275410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-64383147694238518552008-12-05T20:15:00.000-05:002008-12-05T20:15:00.000-05:00great comments to the super post (thanks Korean). ...great comments to the super post (thanks Korean). Someone somewhere along the line mentioned the cleavage = whore, but tiny mini-skirts are ok. This anomaly confused me from my first week here - I cannot for the life of me work out how it is more virtuous to hide your cleavage and collar bones (and in some instances even the shoulders) but walk around in a cookie curtain (Saffer slang for a Very Short Skirt)? I have asked many Koreans (guys and girls) about this and mostly they just laugh at my confusion and shrug it off.Laurenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02517325346106175213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-36079755360249905102008-12-05T12:08:00.000-05:002008-12-05T12:08:00.000-05:00I'd actually have to agree with scott here, that t...I'd actually have to agree with scott here, that the TV shows Sex And The City and (to a lesser degree) Friends, have done a great deal to loosen up the binaries and duplicities that used to exist (even when I first came here in 2003) for sexual mores; while I do agree with the commenter who pointed out that the APPEARANCE of virtue is sometimes more important than actual virtue, and behind the mask, it's anybody's guess what the true situation will be (to which a friend of mine once commented, "So, basically, dating Korean girls is kind of like dating catholic girls...")<BR/><BR/>I don't think that the change in sexual mores can be blamed on "western culture" in the form (in this case) of TV shows, but I DO think that having models in popular TV shows demonstrating these non-traditional behaviors may have helped some people to feel free to be more open about practices that were already happening anyway.<BR/><BR/>in a slightly related topic, it's interesting how in my English classes, I've had a startling increase in the number of female students who take the name "Carrie," but a marked drop in women willing to take the name, "Samantha," because of what those names now represent.Roboseyohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06308196436612993379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-25309457960591522552008-12-05T11:34:00.000-05:002008-12-05T11:34:00.000-05:00EDIT: Sorry for the screwed up letters above!BTW: ...EDIT: Sorry for the screwed up letters above!<BR/><BR/>BTW: "There are records indicating that the Korean envoys to the U.S. in 1887 thought the high-society ladies at a diplomatic party were prostitutes because they were wearing cleavage-bearing tops."<BR/><BR/>Apparently they missed all the women with their tits hanging out for all to see in downtown Seoul at exactly the same time!King Baeksuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15106210206814275410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-74136129730607637952008-12-05T11:21:00.000-05:002008-12-05T11:21:00.000-05:00Dude, you need to get back to the homeland and upd...Dude, you need to get back to the homeland and update your paradigm. It's about 5 or 10 years out of date.<BR/><BR/>Plenty of Korean women acting like hussies in public these days and even proud of it. There are some serious maneaters prowling the streets of Seoul, and they frighten me!<BR/><BR/>Of course, it the Carrie Fuckin' Bradshaw Effect. In Korea there is BSATS (Before Sex and the City) and ASATC.<BR/><BR/>You are still stuck in a BSATS frame of reference, I'm afraid!King Baeksuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15106210206814275410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-12170814331941010102008-12-05T09:04:00.000-05:002008-12-05T09:04:00.000-05:00Not the ones I'm friends with. :-)Not the ones I'm friends with. :-)Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03708273691893291730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-51867647075322029042008-12-05T05:03:00.000-05:002008-12-05T05:03:00.000-05:00Hello Diana,do all the Korean guys look for a virg...Hello Diana,do all the Korean guys look for a virgin girl when they get married?Or it's not like that for most of the young generation anymore.pisipatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14486165665838814585noreply@blogger.com