tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post8715625574827713691..comments2024-03-18T07:07:53.346-04:00Comments on Ask a Korean!: T.K. (Ask a Korean!)http://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-87977781985150277492011-03-02T12:14:16.089-05:002011-03-02T12:14:16.089-05:00As for Korea, I understand that it's a differe...<i>As for Korea, I understand that it's a different story. Like I said, I don't think Korea will ever tolerate mass immigration like the U.S. has. </i><br /><br />Mass European immigration to the US has worked out well. All European groups have assimilated to somewhat varying degrees to an evolving American white culture, which in turns has been changed somewhat less but still quite a lot from it's early British and German blend.<br /><br />Less mass immigration from NE Asia and more recently from among highly educated, skilled and high IQ slices of Indian caste society have also worked out quite well, though the pace of assimilation has been quite a lot less.<br /><br />Mass immigration from the third would in the wake of the 1965 immigration law opening that up, particularly from heavily indio poor peasant slices of Mexico and central America, legal and illegal but winked at, has been terrible by and large. It's having worse and worse effects as this indo Hispanic part of our population has dismal graduation rates from high school unto the fourth generation and are a serious drain net of taxes paid, on government resources. <br /><br />It's all kept in place by PC cries of "racism" whenever realist arguments from the evidence are made. For whatever combination of cultural and probably also biological reasons, not all groups are equally competitive in a modern technological society. We shouldn't keep letting lots of them who aren't in.Doug1https://www.blogger.com/profile/13948793969077395057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-54068830993172778832011-03-02T12:01:37.752-05:002011-03-02T12:01:37.752-05:00J.B.
You might not like immigration, Mr. Kim, bu...J.B.<br /><br /> <i>You might not like immigration, Mr. Kim, but are you going to tell a kid growing up on a farm in Jeolla-do that he can't marry a foreign bride, even when he can't find a Korean one?</i><br /><br />Since S.Korea doesn't practice polygamy, what's happening to the excess young women that Korean farmers can't get to marry them?Doug1https://www.blogger.com/profile/13948793969077395057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-44993226218593898722011-02-12T21:09:11.159-05:002011-02-12T21:09:11.159-05:00Relying on immigration is the myopic response. Dec...Relying on immigration is the myopic response. Declines in population result in family formation becoming cheaper. Capital to population ratio rises and makes people better off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-9904396913794595742011-02-12T17:02:02.744-05:002011-02-12T17:02:02.744-05:00Populations around the world from Europe to China ...<b><i>Populations around the world from Europe to China regularly would drop 50% suddenly due to plague. They had no problem recovering through natural increase.</i></b><br /><br />The stupid myopia of this statement can stand alone.<br /><br /><b><i>Robotics and automation seems a more sensible alternative to mass immigration in dealing with the "birth-dearth" problem.</i></b><br /><br />Same with this one.T.K. (Ask a Korean!)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-55573748910741718202011-02-12T15:10:14.363-05:002011-02-12T15:10:14.363-05:00I heard that half of all marriages in the rural pa...I heard that half of all marriages in the rural parts of South Korea are between Korean men and women from either China or various S.E. Asian countries (mostly Filipino). <br /><br />It seems to me that immigration into Korea could be OK if it were limited to Chinese and various South East Asian peoples (e.g. Thai, Vietnamese, etc.) as there are similarities in culture between these countries.<br /><br />I think immigration from outside the region (for example: South Asia, middle-east, etc.) would be a complete disaster for Korea.kurt9https://www.blogger.com/profile/02101147267959016924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-33131682504246879002011-02-12T14:58:06.832-05:002011-02-12T14:58:06.832-05:00Robotics and automation seems a more sensible alte...Robotics and automation seems a more sensible alternative to mass immigration in dealing with the "birth-dearth" problem.kurt9https://www.blogger.com/profile/02101147267959016924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-41186462188210822442011-02-12T07:08:57.360-05:002011-02-12T07:08:57.360-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.ztraderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03936205806105183135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-41594042700723022462011-02-12T06:44:10.359-05:002011-02-12T06:44:10.359-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.ztraderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03936205806105183135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-32716525265053500282011-02-11T19:42:01.910-05:002011-02-11T19:42:01.910-05:00At this rate, Korea is heading towards huge, disas...<i>At this rate, Korea is heading towards huge, disastrous population contraction.</i><br /><br />There have been "huge, disastrous population contractions" throughout history. They occurred periodically before the Industrial Revolution when the world was under Malthusian limits. Populations around the world from Europe to China regularly would drop 50% suddenly due to plague. They had no problem recovering through natural increase. When a population drops in a territory, family formation becomes cheaper and eventually you have population growth again. <br /><br />Population contraction was probably crucial in breaking the Malthusian trap and enabling the Industrial Revolution.<br />Prior to 1790, new technology enabled greater productivity and more food, but was quickly gobbled up by higher populations. In Britain, however, as disease continually killed off poorer members of society, their positions in society were taken over by the sons of the wealthy, who were less violent, more literate, and more productive. This process of "downward social mobility" eventually enabled Britain to attain a rate of productivity that allowed it to break out of the Malthusian trap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-74387150411638233262011-02-11T19:07:42.025-05:002011-02-11T19:07:42.025-05:00In reality Korea is a crowded country, and a small...<i><b>In reality Korea is a crowded country, and a small population contraction would do more good than harm.</b></i><br /><br />Listen, if you are anti-immigrant in your native country, wherever that might be, go some place on the Internet where people are talking about that country. We are talking about Korea here, and you are just giving bald assertions. If you know any facts about Korea, talk about facts. Like this fact:<br /><br />Korea has one of the lowest birthrate in the world -- 1.15 child per couple. So Korea is replacing two people with 1.15 person, which is 42% decline. The actual decline rate will be smaller because the parents will live longer, but that only increases the burden on the working population to generate enough wealth to feed everyone. This is true even if there is no welfare state. <br /><br />"Small population contraction?" Please, Korea needs to do fucking everything it can to achieve "small population contraction." At this rate, Korea is heading towards huge, disastrous population contraction.T.K. (Ask a Korean!)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-9815725237200941622011-02-11T18:45:07.732-05:002011-02-11T18:45:07.732-05:00No one said anything about GDP.
Of course it has ...<i>No one said anything about GDP.</i><br /><br />Of course it has to do with GDP.<br /><br />The idea isn't that every single immigrant is going to be a personal nurse to retirees. It's that they're going to prop up GDP and maintain GDP "growth."<br /><br />Like I said this is just orthodox Keynesian/neoliberal ideology: GDP and the nebulous term "growth" are all important and maintaining it by any means, such as by flooding your country with foreigners, is the highest priority.<br /><br /><i>And this is about Korea, not Germany.</i><br /><br />So if Korea adds millions of low-income immigrants and raises its total GDP by 10% in the process, that's better than their population contracting by 10% and their GDP being lowered by 5%.<br /><br />Really stupid, shallow analysis that shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone.<br /><br />In reality Korea is a crowded country, and a small population contraction would do more good than harm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-86688103035095518332011-02-11T18:25:54.162-05:002011-02-11T18:25:54.162-05:00ㅡㅡ,
The population goes down, land becomes cheape...<b>ㅡㅡ</b>,<br /><br /><i><b>The population goes down, land becomes cheaper, housing becomes cheaper ...</b></i><br /><br />AND the economy goes to shit because there are not enough workers and people's equity value in their real estate and other assets tank. Your observation is correct in a vacuum (i.e. to make a point that population will eventually get back on track,) but that's not where Korea can afford to be.<br /><br /><b>OK. I'm still puzzled why someone would worry about an absolute drop in working population.</b><br /><br />Less workers = less value generated = weaker economy. Particularly bad if Korea does not have enough young workers to fill the capacity as it exists today, because it then screws over the employers who cannot hire and then forced to go out of business -- which then creates a chain reaction that shrinks the entire economy. How is this puzzling?T.K. (Ask a Korean!)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-83330497396770736182011-02-11T18:04:25.722-05:002011-02-11T18:04:25.722-05:00> > Assuming it isn't continued indefini...> > Assuming it isn't continued indefinitely to the point that the country is invaded because there simply aren't enough people taking up space, why would a simple drop in population be a bad thing?<br /><br />> On what basis could you assume that population decline would not continue indefinitely, unless there is some change in policy?<br /><br />The population goes down, land becomes cheaper, housing becomes cheaper, people get married sooner and have more time to have multiple children before Mom hits her mid-30s and the risk of having autistic children increases.<br /><br />Additionally, societal mores can and do change without legislation nudging things along. One possibility is that, at least in front of women, clawing your way to the top of the corporate ladder could be discussed as something much less fulfilling and useful than raising children.<br /><br />(I don't see a shift like this happening anytime soon in the States, and I'd suspect the ROK would be similar, but…)<br /><br /><br />> And the Korean is using the term "population" to denote "working population" at any rate.<br /><br />OK. I'm still puzzled why someone would worry about an absolute drop in working population.<br /><br />A relative drop vs. retirees? That's obviously problematic, particularly in countries with taxpayer-funded pensions. Of course, lots of proposed solutions to <em>this</em> problem seem to be worse than the disease…Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-68519724844609453332011-02-11T17:37:33.269-05:002011-02-11T17:37:33.269-05:00ㅡㅡ,
Assuming it isn't continued indefinitely ...<b>ㅡㅡ</b>,<br /><br /><b><i>Assuming it isn't continued indefinitely to the point that the country is invaded because there simply aren't enough people taking up space, why would a simple drop in population be a bad thing?</i></b><br /><br />On what basis could you assume that population decline would not continue indefinitely, unless there is some change in policy? And the Korean is using the term "population" to denote "working population" at any rate.<br /><br /><b>brianmazimuth</b>,<br /><br />No one said anything about GDP. And this is about Korea, not Germany.T.K. (Ask a Korean!)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-22454238732022204242011-02-11T17:23:04.546-05:002011-02-11T17:23:04.546-05:00This is just orthodox Keynesian/neoliberal ideolog...This is just orthodox Keynesian/neoliberal ideology: GDP and the nebulous term "growth" are all important. <br /><br />So if Germany adds 30 million low-income Turkish immigrants and raises its total GDP by 10% in the process, that's better than their population contracting by 10% and their GDP being lowered by 5%. <br /><br />Really stupid, shallow analysis that shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone.<br /><br />In reality Germany is a crowded country, and a small population contraction would do more good than harm.<br /><br />This applies to Korea as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-5252524091276811542011-02-11T17:13:22.401-05:002011-02-11T17:13:22.401-05:00> > Do you have evidence that immigration .....> > Do you have evidence that immigration ... will benefit the ROK or do anything to help its demographic crisis?<br /><br />> Here is the evidence -- math. As in, if we add more people into a country, the country's population decline will be slowed or reversed. WOW. Mind-blowing, isn't it?<br /><br />When people talk about demographic crises in the West or in East Asia, they tend to worry about the falling ratio of workers to retirees, <i>not</i> dropping absolute population levels. While I can certainly understand a preoccupation with the former, worrying about the latter seems…curious. Assuming it isn't continued indefinitely to the point that the country is invaded because there simply aren't enough people taking up space, why would a simple drop in population be a bad thing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-10509203922574978452011-02-11T15:57:43.647-05:002011-02-11T15:57:43.647-05:00Y's,
The Korean himself is a ridiculously rag...<b>Y's</b>,<br /><br />The Korean himself is a ridiculously raging Korean liberal (his family is from Jeonju, what do you expect,) but the way 최고은's death is being manipulated by the liberals in Korea is just ridiculous. It's a sad event, but it's a one-off event. It is not a reflection of Korea any more than having someone dying from a lightning is a reflection of Korea.<br /><br />Management of a country never allows for "one issue at a time." There are always multiple issues. Right now <a href="http://www.jjn.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=522872" rel="nofollow">7 out of 10 mid/small size companies in Korea have to hire less-than-qualified people</a> because there are not enough applicants. Small companies of Korea -- particularly in industries where Koreans don't want to work -- are <a href="http://www.sunnyfm.co.kr/program/view.asp?pcode=news&bcode=news_article07&pagec=1&find=&findword=&seq=309734" rel="nofollow">clamoring for more workers</a> and immigration is the only answer there. Korea right now does not have enough people, and will have less and less going forward unless the current trend does not reverse.T.K. (Ask a Korean!)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-62409021608141962212011-02-11T15:55:22.716-05:002011-02-11T15:55:22.716-05:00Seems that Korea's low birth rate is partly du...Seems that Korea's low birth rate is partly due to an overly successful government family planning campaign:<br /><br />http://www.prb.org/Articles/2010/koreafertility.aspx<br /><br />Kudos to the governments of those years for realizing the country was headed for problems if high birthrates continued. But even if the goal were to reduce the population, a fertility rate of 1.15 is going to cause problems. Better to slow the rate of decline with more immigration and encouraging somewhat larger families.bjrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11444220500908788154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-4988626038458032592011-02-11T15:44:19.458-05:002011-02-11T15:44:19.458-05:00You know, I'm fine with legal immigrants and a...You know, I'm fine with legal immigrants and all, but I dont' know if WE NEED MORE PEOPLE is kind of the best solution for Korea right now.<br /><br />Did you hear about the screenwriter woman who died of starvation several days ago. Yes, it's 2010, she had a job, and she fucking STARVED TO DEATH. (a quick search on 최고은 will give you the facts.) Shocked and aghast doesn't even begin to describe the general sentiment of her death.<br /><br />The current government is unbelievably stingy in its willingness to support the poor, as seen from some politicians outright REFUSING to provide free meals for poor schoolchildren because "we will pay more taxes, you don't want to pay more taxes, do you?" (okay, a bit more elaborate than that, but bottom line, they don't want to feed the poor.) It's ridiculous. I'm just wondering why there hasn't been a protest about this already.<br /><br />Just because Korea has the "15th larget economy in the world omg aren't we awesome", doesn't mean the wealth is evenly distributed. Yes, capitalism and all, but tell me where else in a first or second world country would a SCREENWRITER starve to death. Or university students killing themselves because they can't pay back tuition (which is only a portion of the US tuitions, by the way), which is continually rising.<br /><br />One issue at a time. While the population may be dropping, the govenrment does a shitty job supporting the supposedly meager population they already have. Now is kind of a bad timing for a call on immigrants. ONE ISSUE AT A TIME.<br /><br />(sorry, I'm kind of in ragemode right now, and this is slightly off topic. But still, I believe the general Koreans are not really in the mood to accept more people, immigrants or no, when they themselves can't find jobs and even people with jobs aren't secured of their future.)Y's.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03826602789908256525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-56264231355319900342011-02-11T15:13:07.077-05:002011-02-11T15:13:07.077-05:00Do you have evidence that immigration ... will ben...<i><b>Do you have evidence that immigration ... will benefit the ROK or do anything to help its demographic crisis?</b></i><br /><br />Here is the evidence -- math. As in, if we add more people into a country, the country's population decline will be slowed or reversed. WOW. Mind-blowing, isn't it?T.K. (Ask a Korean!)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-43364694358001479752011-02-11T15:05:53.896-05:002011-02-11T15:05:53.896-05:00Pro-tip: Imagine if Adeel had said the exact same ...Pro-tip: Imagine if Adeel had said the exact same thing, only substituting the word "nigger" for "Korean" and jabs at Korean facial features with jokes about thick lips and monkey faces. The Human Rights Commission in Canada would have issued a warrant for his arrest by now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-70612955113071717342011-02-11T15:02:30.663-05:002011-02-11T15:02:30.663-05:00Only someone who seriously believes in that racist...<i>Only someone who seriously believes in that racist garbage would think Adeel was not joking.</i><br /><br />Unfortunately it's a fact that Mexicans remain in poverty after four generations in the United States, or that Turks in Germany don't integrate, or that Muslims in Denmark and Sweden are responsible for the vast majority of violent and sexual crimes. You don't get to brush away facts that make you angry by calling them "racist", or responding with a massive wall of butthurt outrage as Adeel just did.<br /><br />Do you have evidence that immigration (and we're only talking third world immigration, since educated people aren't clamoring for Korean visas) will benefit the ROK or do anything to help its demographic crisis? You don't. Keep calling me racist until the sky turns purple. It doesn't change any of the facts on the table.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-90723084503923278462011-02-11T14:58:59.577-05:002011-02-11T14:58:59.577-05:00CIA Factbook lists the rural population at slightl...<i>CIA Factbook lists the rural population at slightly over 9 million (18.8% of the population).</i><br /><br />That largely depends on how you define "rural" vs. "urban". For example Canada defines "rural" as any area outside towns or cities with populations exceeding 10,000. Korea uses an entirely different system with overlapping hierarchies of "urbanness" (gu, eup, myeon, dong, etc.), leading to wildly different statistics (depending on your preferred source). I'm obviously referring only to unmarried bachelors in the sticks. Foreign brides are negligible percentage of the population, when you compare Korea's demographics with those of any other industrialized nation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-19950635645772604082011-02-11T14:58:12.331-05:002011-02-11T14:58:12.331-05:00And no, don't backpedal and claim you were onl...<b><i>And no, don't backpedal and claim you were only joking.</i></b><br /><br />Only someone who seriously believes in that racist garbage would think Adeel was not joking.T.K. (Ask a Korean!)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-12225547566864600502011-02-11T14:50:21.998-05:002011-02-11T14:50:21.998-05:00Anyone who knows anything knows that the typical M...<i>Anyone who knows anything knows that the typical Mexican cranium has a slope of 12.6 degrees, a mark of superior intellect compared to stodgy European and Asian stocks in California (such as yours).<br /><br />When the Korean race, which has until recently amounted to nothing (Englesworth and Boswell), is allowed to freely live, work, and reproduce in California, the direct result is a marked decline in its quality of life.<br /><br />Look, for example, at a school like Berkeley, which is now overrun by dull-witted Koreans like yourself. For example, everyone knows that Koreans have narrow eyes, making it very difficult to see. People who can't see have probably never even picked up a pencil, much less know how to use it.<br /><br />I'm sure you're going to either ignore this post or not address the facts that I've presented.</i><br /><br />It never fails to amuse me how liberals spew the most racist garbage imaginable against minorities who refuse to march lockstep with their disastrous policies. Ooooh I've huwwt somebody's poor poor feewings. And no, don't backpedal and claim you were only joking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com