tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post5379215159885770096..comments2024-03-26T03:31:06.199-04:00Comments on Ask a Korean!: K-Pop is Not a GenreT.K. (Ask a Korean!)http://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-82648934541884235662017-07-17T09:44:51.545-04:002017-07-17T09:44:51.545-04:00I have heard a lot of stories about Korea and I am...I have heard a lot of stories about Korea and I am glad that I landed on this page and found a comprehensive article on music in Korea. Although it was difficult to picture that K-pop is not a genre, the author has explained the arguments in a simple but clear manner using unique writing skills and I will be applying the same skills while writing articles on <a href="http://albert22smith.snack.ws/dissertation-literature-review-help.html" rel="nofollow">Dissertation Literature Review Help</a>. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03762693089912796201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-37537239670787004402017-06-19T23:10:47.541-04:002017-06-19T23:10:47.541-04:00Thanks. You reminded me of some bands that I haven...Thanks. You reminded me of some bands that I haven't listened too for a long time.<br />thank you for your sharing!<br /><a href="https://www.gclub-casino.com/" rel="nofollow">จีคลับ</a><br /><a href="https://goldenslot.gclub-casino.com/" rel="nofollow">goldenslot</a><br /><a href="http://www.ymt5882.com/" rel="nofollow">gclub online casino</a><br />Sok Sarethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15373712078360375074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-59209673711830897302017-06-19T00:59:55.669-04:002017-06-19T00:59:55.669-04:00thank you for your sharing this post.
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GET HYPE!AnacondaHLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08400468968341388850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-8197088203688227372017-05-30T10:56:22.283-04:002017-05-30T10:56:22.283-04:00"But if you insist that I'm listening to ..."But if you insist that I'm listening to K-pop, I guess I will have to squeeze some B1A4 in there somewhere."<br />You sank my battleship!<br /><br />This is one reason we should all oppose grouping all Korean music under one big K-tent.<br /><br />Also, there is very little han in K-pop, unless it's one of those songs about unrequited love or a music video where an unrequited lover dies tragically. 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When a major music label and high-end producers get their hands on an artist's work, I stop liking it. Happened with Beenzino and Zion.T for me as well. It's hard for me to put into words, but it's like their music loses their 'flaws' that help me relate to them as humans. To help make it seem more 'authentic' to me.<br /><br />Great post, and I'm interested in hearing more about it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11991827942804122094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-63137948382091387082017-05-24T14:22:26.268-04:002017-05-24T14:22:26.268-04:00Glad to know my question had propelled you to writ...Glad to know my question had propelled you to write this piece. Awesome material. 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Even though kpop is a fusion genre with a lot of different kinds of artists, there's def a consensus about what's kpop and what's not if you go on any forum where ifans discuss kpop. Do they go on music shows(not counting those individuals who have had falling-outs with their old labels and and are forbidden from promoting that way)? Do they release teaser pics? Do they have a fanclub that has a name, instead of just, 'people who like x artist'? Do they go on variety shows? Do they have other kinds of 'fannish' culture surrounding them? Do they tend to focus on flashy, high production quality music videos with a lot of focus on the face? Then they are kpop, because even Psy and IU have all those things. But bands like Clazziquai or Kiha and the faces don't really do those things, and even Seo Taiji doesn't really qualify anymore. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-77131959218164031842017-05-24T04:44:46.393-04:002017-05-24T04:44:46.393-04:00Excellent points, all. One quibble K-rock is a ter...Excellent points, all. One quibble K-rock is a term I've seen used. I've found some good songs on a few K-rock lists, only reason I discovered Chosun Punk actually. Which leads me to my other quibble, promoters miscategorizing music does not make their definitions correct. Nowhere else have I seen Crying Nut categorized as kpop. I like my kpop idol groups, my k-indie, my k-hiphop (it's a real term, I promise), and my glorious Korean punk so I'm not making any judgements,just being a mild nitpicker.moadeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01119105127484628674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-38700277864050106432017-05-22T23:36:36.707-04:002017-05-22T23:36:36.707-04:00Isn't Busker Busker kpop? They aren't &quo...Isn't Busker Busker kpop? They aren't "Dance, hip hop, idols".<br />Their music was just popular in Korea not so much international fans. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08150542098508031634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-60346758683569060492017-05-22T22:58:49.823-04:002017-05-22T22:58:49.823-04:00T.K., by your logic then "bathroom" shou...T.K., by your logic then "bathroom" should only mean a room where there is a bath, which is not how we use the word now. We've collectively changed the meaning of the word over time. We collectively change meanings of many words over time and old definitions die as new ones arise. You look through any dictionary's etymologies sections and you won't be able to track the number of words that don't mean what they used to or what they appear to be on the surface.<br /><br />Loan words in languages often live on the idea that you take a word from another language and use it the way that your collective society has decided that it fits you. This is certainly true of Korean use of terms like "overeat" and the doubly borrowed "arubaiteu", which have connections to the original meanings but don't mean what the source word means. Are you saying that these words don't have their new meanings either?<br /><br />Similarly, slang and vernacular speech in general also live on this idea that you take words and assign them new meanings. And these new uses, if popular enough in usage can override original meanings and even take root as the only remaining meaning of that word. Are you suggesting that we run around that strike down every word use that has ever deviated from original or surface meaning because a large enough mass of people have decided to use a word in that way?refresh_daemonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14461891308315532959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-70287350292746984322017-05-22T16:30:05.822-04:002017-05-22T16:30:05.822-04:00I have been waiting for this post and you did not ...I have been waiting for this post and you did not disappoint. I am very glad that I am not a lawyer and will never have to face you in court! The problem here is, of course, semantics. Words rarely mean the same thing to any several people, and when international concepts with translations get mixed in, it's not really possible to know what we are each meaning without extensive explication. It's especially difficult with music, since there are not really agreed upon definitions for a lot of things. We end up with "I'll quote Wikipedia" "I'll see your Wikipedia and raise you i-Tunes." "I see your i-Tunes and raise you Groves . . ." Well, this could on one forever. As one example, I don't like classical music. I was involved with stating the Lute Society of America, worked with musicologists and performers on Medieval and Renaissance music, built a clavichord and worked on harpsichords, held season tickets to the opera. All these are commonly called classical music, but properly there is a classical period for music - Mozart, for example - and I don't like it. Early music, romantic, modern - it's all fine with me, except for the classical period. But this is a very fine grained analysis of musical periods and most people don't get it. And so, back to K-pop.<br />If I tell people that I'm into K-pop, they assume that I am crazy about Crayon Pop (ugh!) and Got7. Well, Got 7 has made some fun tracks that I can listen to a few times - but after that, a lot of these groups are almost indistinguishable to me. I like individual tracks, but I'm not much of a fan girl. But by your definition, I am a passionate K-pop fan. So what I actually tell people is that I listen to Korean Indie Rock. This confuses them, but I'm OK with that and I don't have to get sucked into discussions about how great Gangnam style is. (Speaking of which - Gangnam Style is not the greatest K-pop hit of all time - the biggest, maybe, but not the greatest.)<br />To take a cladistics approach to this, I'd probably go with Popular Music>Korean pop>dance pop, where dance pop could be replaced by trot, ballads, rockabilly, R&B, rock, metal, etc. Or maybe it's Korean Pop>trot>dance pop. I think Japanese pop comes in there somewhere, but I don't now where. You probably do. Even the botanists can't untangle stuff like this, and they have DNA on their side. <br /><br />Today's playlist is Phonebooth, Street Guns and Fling. Maybe Idiotape and Kim Chang Wan band later. But if you insist that I'm listening to K-pop, I guess I will have to squeeze some B1A4 in there somewhere. Whatever you call it, there's something about Korean music that reaches me like nothing else. Maybe it's han. ;) <br /><br />I'm looking forward to the next music history lesson!Judithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01776605762260245516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-55469465282405036202017-05-22T10:43:38.821-04:002017-05-22T10:43:38.821-04:00It's a soft power economic movement.It's a soft power economic movement.dawei mimikohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08292065810034791966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-36650558776796064762017-05-22T10:40:58.399-04:002017-05-22T10:40:58.399-04:00Love the term "post-truth"! As always, ...Love the term "post-truth"! As always, YOU ROCK, TK!!Monicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02184455587660562341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-17672362015214675002017-05-22T00:04:30.293-04:002017-05-22T00:04:30.293-04:00What do you think the producers of SBS's "...What do you think the producers of SBS's "K-Pop Star" think K-Pop means?Caliboy888https://www.blogger.com/profile/17632356440051069632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-12070824230331595242017-05-21T23:35:39.266-04:002017-05-21T23:35:39.266-04:00Hrrmmmmm I really think the whole concept of a &qu...Hrrmmmmm I really think the whole concept of a "genre" is pretty loosy-goosy, so I'm not sure I'd make such a big deal of the fact that "K-pop" is fraught just like other genre. The landscape of "musical genre" is a big mess of hierarchical and overlapping ways of classifying music. Any given piece of music can be classified under multiple genre, and of course every genre can be further broken into sub-genre. Consequentially, for any given genre, you can pretty much always say "Hey, but this includes lots of really different types of music!!!" OR "Hey, but this song could also go in these OTHER genre!!!" This is just the nature of musical genre, which are an incredibly unscientific way of classifying music. Genres can be defined based on style (e.g., bluegrass, heavy metal), topic or intended audience (e.g., Christian, children, holiday), time period (e.g., oldies, 80s), purpose of the music (e.g., soundtrack, dance, comedy), in opposition to other kinds of music (e.g., alternative rock), and yes, geographic/ethnic/national origin (e.g., country, latin, J-pop, K-pop). I even have a genre in my iTunes library called "World", which embarrassingly includes African and Celtic artists among others (even classifying music as "African" is absurd since Africa is a continent that includes 1500-2000 different languages- how do you think THEY feel?). <br /><br />I am sympathetic to the frustration that Korean music isn't treated by western audiences with the level of nuance that they treat their own music. But I don't think that is a problem specific to Korean music- as I mentioned above, iTunes literally has a category called "World" that is essentially a wastebasket genre for "foreign" music that doesn't fit in an existing category (at least K-pop gets its own thing). While I can understand that this lack of nuance is irritating to someone who appreciates that nuance, I also don't think it is something to get snarky about or try to make people feel bad (which could actually discourage people from getting into it). It is just a matter of perspective. We live in a world with thousands of cultures and you can't expect people to appreciate the nuances of music from all of them. While living in Korea, I spent a few hours driving in a car with a Korean guy who let me play DJ with his phone. He had all of his "English music" in one playlist, and it included everything from Eminem to Celine Dion Christmas (as it turns out, he did not realize it was Christmas music). We talked about music the entire time, and it was clear that he lacked a basic understanding the landscape of American/Canadian music, but that is totally understandable because he didn't grow up with it and it wasn't a serious hobby of his. I just thought it was cool that he had some North American music and was interested to learn more. He wanted recommendations and I was happy to share some more "English" music with him. I was also interested to learn more about Korean music, and I still am! The best part of this post is the introduction to some awesome new Korean songs- I absolutely loved the Lang Lee one. I'm looking forward to more posts about Korean music, and its a big cherry on top if I end up adding more Korean stuff to my library. :-) <br />Randi Heesoo Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14796509634694699355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-25758464754419848712017-05-21T21:38:14.572-04:002017-05-21T21:38:14.572-04:00If your point was that, from a Korean perspective,...<b>If your point was that, from a Korean perspective, there's no distinction between Korean pop and K-pop then that wasn't at all clear from the article.</b><br /><br />My point is that there is no distinction between Korean pop and K-pop from <i>any</i> perspective, because K-pop is no more than a shorthand for Korean pop. There can be no other meaning, because that's what the constituent words in "K-pop" say, and there has been no meaningful attempt to define the boundaries of the term as a genre or a style.T.K. (Ask a Korean!)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-10955275073810905142017-05-21T21:14:55.641-04:002017-05-21T21:14:55.641-04:00I'm pretty sure that it's primarily intern...<b>I'm pretty sure that it's primarily international "K-pop" fans that use the very word "K-pop" and so how they use it sort of defines it, whether we like it or not.</b><br /><br />No. Words have definition and you cannot change the definition just because you want to, regardless of how you use it.<br /><br /><b> I'd be interested to know why it's transliterated as 케이팝 and not 케이폽</b><br /><br />Transliteration follows the closest sound. 팝 is closer to pop than 폽.<br /><br /><b> the article's point is like saying all Korean sporting leagues can be classified as K-League, rather than the K-League being a very specific thing.</b><br /><br />This doesn't work, because K-League <i>is</i> a specific thing. It is a proper noun given to Korea's soccer league. T.K. (Ask a Korean!)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-67360628560798311432017-05-21T21:11:46.853-04:002017-05-21T21:11:46.853-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rimjhim Jainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09500548229201025942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-1477026264841129042017-05-21T19:00:57.190-04:002017-05-21T19:00:57.190-04:00Yes Koreans can't define their own music as th...Yes Koreans can't define their own music as they've enjoyed it for generations. We need white people to tell us what Kpop is and that it didn't exist until few years ago. LOLAndrew Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07942327920755262606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-13567183457263810422017-05-21T16:44:21.463-04:002017-05-21T16:44:21.463-04:00If your point was that, from a Korean perspective,...If your point was that, from a Korean perspective, there's no distinction between Korean pop and K-pop then that wasn't at all clear from the article. Even then, I would contend that 케이팝 is not an unknown term in Korea (... and I know this is going off on a tangent, but if you'll indulge me I'd be interested to know why it's transliterated as 케이팝 and not 케이폽) and one with a very meaning similar to its English counterpart. Either way, it's a specific phenomenon in its own right, one that is part of, but not fully interchangable with, Korean pop.<br /><br />And if we're all having fun with similies, the article's point is like saying all Korean sporting leagues can be classified as K-League, rather than the K-League being a very specific thing. Iogichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01899881951409087685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-39849540132910783642017-05-21T15:10:58.982-04:002017-05-21T15:10:58.982-04:00I'm pretty sure that it's primarily intern...I'm pretty sure that it's primarily international "K-pop" fans that use the very word "K-pop" and so how they use it sort of defines it, whether we like it or not. The proper analogy would be like a Brit telling an American that they use the word "loo" to describe what the American would call a "bathroom".refresh_daemonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14461891308315532959noreply@blogger.com