tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post2605464113080811782..comments2024-03-18T07:07:53.346-04:00Comments on Ask a Korean!: Tiger Mothers are Superior. Here is Why.T.K. (Ask a Korean!)http://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comBlogger104125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-73598616549164993542017-01-11T00:40:46.445-05:002017-01-11T00:40:46.445-05:00Vera Wang - born to Chinese parents who are descen...Vera Wang - born to Chinese parents who are descended from the elite (a warlord). Her mother was a translator for the U.N. and her father owned a medicine company. This was in an earlier period, the late 40s onwards, so by the standards of those times, her parents occupied a higher socioeconomic strata than many Americans born in America to white families. They were definitely not hard-up immigrants with few resources.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18346664600245624607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-3113963393198519412017-01-10T23:36:14.369-05:002017-01-10T23:36:14.369-05:00I had tiger parents. Well, a tiger father. My moth...I had tiger parents. Well, a tiger father. My mother was nowhere near as bad, and didn't pressure us as much, nor did she demean us (which he often did, mocking our appearance, berating us for our lack of height- which was his fault, due to his short genes anyway etc.). They gave us lots of pressure, but they didn't any of the things I see other tiger parents do, like investigate the schools I attended, or what we covered in subjects. Nor did they hire any tutors, or enrol us in any after-school academies,like Korean parents today, or offer any other support, other than taking us to the public library often, and buying us books. They couldn't communicate with our teachers, so they never asked about us, and rarely attended any parent/teacher days (to my great relief, as I was very embarrassed by them and their English skills). My father even misunderstood report card comments and so on, because he didn't have the English skills to read them (they were all excellent, but he misunderstood). But he never apologized or made it up to me for getting angry over comments, which he had not read correctly. He also had a terrible temper and would be in bad moods. We'd never know if he was going to wake up and come out angry and in a foul mood, so we walked around on eggshells, hoping not to disturb his sleep and wake him up. He worked shifts, and I liked it when he was away from home,and working shifts where we would not have much opportunity to see him, or have to encounter him.<br /><br />I had an extremely miserable childhood, and a disoriented and unhappy university life. I got into a prestigious university, but doing a degree which he wasn't happy with. I wasn't going to be a doctor or lawyer or anything. But he preferred that I did a B.A. at this top university, rather than one more vocational (leading to a profession) at a "lesser" university that was not "top-tier." The "name" meant a great deal to him. Once I was in university, my father paid little attention to me because he thought now that I was in the prestigious university, he needn't be concerned, since I didn't have to get the highest possible scores, only get through and graduate. Basically, he just paid no attention, although he continued with his nitpicking and micromanagement of my life (like monitoring/criticizing the food I ate, when I ate, what I wore, what I did at home, when I got up or slept, what I spent what little money I got from a government subsidy on, etc.). I was unhappy in university for other reasons, but related to my past, which I was kind of dealing with the after-effects of, in my university years. I also lost my sense of self as I was no longer a top student, as I had been as a child, at the small, regional schools I'd attended, which was in contrast to the huge faculty I found myself in, at this top national university. I was suddenly a very small fish, without teacher support, without any academic glory, and my parents paid little attention to me.<br /><br /> I attempted suicide twice, which they knew about, since I was living at home (not allowed to leave, you know). I didn't succeed, obviously, so I never became one of those statistics, of Asian immigrant kids who committed suicide. I tend to think whites are just more "successful" at suicide- often, because they have access to say, guns, or powerful drugs, which I didn't have. There just wasn't anywhere to hang myself, that would take my weight -I had considered it and tested out a curtain pole, and it was clearly not going to be suitable.<br /><br />I also made some cutting attempts, but it didn't really take hold. <br /><br />I ended up moving far away from him, and I do not keep in touch with him. That is how I prefer it.<br /> Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18346664600245624607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-16924570575239712492017-01-10T23:33:37.954-05:002017-01-10T23:33:37.954-05:00How do you know that those famous Asian Americans ...How do you know that those famous Asian Americans such as Connie Chung etc.were raised by hardline "tiger parents"? Did you carefully research all of them?<br />I met Chang-rae Lee, and got the opportunity to hear him talk about his novels, and during the talk, he made a few references to his childhood, and I did not get the impression that his parents were extremely pushy and focused only on academic excellence/getting into the best universities. On the contrary, it seemed to me that his parents had fostered in him a sense of self and an ability to make decisions for himself, in a rational way.<br />And in fact, his parents are not like the immigrant parents you described: people who came to the U.S. with limited education and worked hard,often menial jobs, or scraped by running small restaurants or corner stores. His father was a psychologist and he continued to work as one in the U.S., in Westchester, which is a very middle class, affluent neighborhood. Lee's parents could afford to send him to the elite Phillips Exeter Academy, so they weren't hard up. They could afford the kind of "extra help" which elite white Americans have access to. It's not like he won scholarships and got into Yale despite attending underfunded state schools, having to study long hours without assistance at home in a tiny room. He went to Phillips Exeter. And if you look at Exeter graduates, you'd surely find a good many graduates of Ivy League/famous universities - people who were not of Asian background and not from a "tiger parent" background.<br /><br />As for John Cho, from what I have read, I did not get the sense that his parents absolutely opposed his choice of degree (he went to the University of California, Berkeley, but he did a B.A. in English literature - something that is not typically favored by tiger parents). Cho spent some time working as a teacher in high schools, a job that many hardcore tiger parents would not approve of because it's not prestigious nor highly paid in the U.S. Apparently Cho told his father that he wanted to make acting his career, and his father suggested TV newsreader, because it seemed more accessible and more likely that Cho could find success (as there were already newsreaders of Asian descent on TV, and high profile journalists). However, his father seemed to be suggesting that out of concern for his son, to choose something where he could more realistically find success. His father didn't say "no, just become a doctor or accountant or engineer." So I'm sure these things indicate that his parents definitely weren't the kind of hardcore tigers that you hear about, the ones who schedule every minute of their child's day and yell at them if they get an A rather than an A+, or force them to practice piano 5 hrs a day, and dictate what subjects they'll choose, and the university and course they will do.<br />Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18346664600245624607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-82888848333110058172015-10-16T16:41:07.317-04:002015-10-16T16:41:07.317-04:00In Singapore, we've a lot of tiger mums who al...In Singapore, we've a lot of tiger mums who also push their kids to do well. What I'm going to comment on is the damage all this pressure does to society, besides my personal account: <br /><br />My mother who's a retired school teacher was relentless in making me study endless hours of piano, history, maths, etc., to score top grades. I wasn't even allowed to read a single book for years, unless it was a textbook or reference book. Until now, I haven't touched a single book for the past 10 years. To my younger self who loved reading about the world and fiction and thinking for myself, I guess this would be unimaginable. Yeah, I got hit a lot unless I got a top 100. Anything other than that was unacceptable. <br /><br />You know what's wrong with this culture? When you put performance and achievement over everything else: love, compassion, empathy, etc., you're going to create a race of humans who care only about themselves and no one else. That's right: they won't have time nor space to experience personal growth. They'll be uncaring and intolerant of others' suffering. They'll end up viewing their children as "trophies to brandish", not "humans who need to be nurtured". <br /><br />In Singapore, we've already children as young as 5, 6 years old who attempt suicide from the pressure to "perform well". Almost everyone who's a teenager and below has attempted suicide at least 2 to 3 times. I won't babble much but I do know at least some of them go on to develop mental disorders like eating disorders, anxiety disorders, etc. <br />These kids often go for a lot of tution classes after school, extra activities like ballet, playing the violin, fencing, cooking classes, etc., in order to "nurture personal development" and for their parents to show off.<br /><br />Lysher Loh, 10, jumps to death:<br />http://www.library.ohiou.edu/indopubs/2001/08/26/0081.html<br /><br />If you put success above everything else, what about society and family ties then? I do know of cases where people just dump their parents in the old folks' home as they're getting in the way. After all, they learnt to value materialism and social status which they in turn impart to their own kids, who're so busy studying they don't see their parents and who're strangers to them. Then, these people, they'll die old and lonely. <br /><br />Few may say this but mental issues in Asia, which loves "being the best" , are on the rise. It's a ticking time-bomb which will be incredibly expensive to treat, as advanced mental disorders require highly trained personnel, medicine and excellent facilities. Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16320726770765926318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-28314600935369367662014-04-04T23:59:11.235-04:002014-04-04T23:59:11.235-04:00After reading this comment thread - or at least pa...After reading this comment thread - or at least part of it - I believe I should contribute something. <br /><br />To start off, I agree with the premise of "tiger parenting", which is to help children maximize their potential for success in the long run. However, there is a difference between pushing kids to succeed for their own good and pushing kids to succeed in an attempt to assuage the parents' ego. If the kids get good grades at school and the parents get to brag about it, that's good. However, the ego boost for the parents is a bonus, as far as I'm concerned. The main objective here is to make our children stronger, emotionally as well as physically and intellectually. Personally I would make sure that my kids, for example, apply constant practice and refinement to their subject matters so that the knowledge thereof remains with them in the long run, rather than just push them to raise their academic scores. After all, do we not send our children to school so they can acquire the knowledge they will need to function well in society? <br /><br />The word "education" in English comes from a Latin term meaning "to lead out to". That is, education leads one out of the darkness of ignorance and into the light of knowledge. This comparison between light - which shows what is around us - and knowledge - which shows what is within us - can be seen in the proverb "Lux vitae ratio", logic is the "light" (guide, in this instance) of life.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03328980062203986280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-64601236484431796832013-12-05T01:48:33.889-05:002013-12-05T01:48:33.889-05:00As a native Korean, I couldn't agree more with...As a native Korean, I couldn't agree more with what Matt said: "We need to distinguish the ideal of Tiger parenting as described by Amy Chua with what actually happens in China, South Korea, and probably many other countries." I think the Korean is supporting an imaginary, ideal type of education system which is not existent at least in Korea. A typical Korean mom isn't maximizing the potential of her children; rather, she is forcing them to study more than 12 hours a day just for a good GPA and CSAT score. Individual preferences are rarely taken into account.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206632729341812478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-15929339675454954802013-09-25T10:41:50.372-04:002013-09-25T10:41:50.372-04:00See for me it's the contrary. I was brilliant ...See for me it's the contrary. I was brilliant at school and although my mom encouraged me to continue on, I was left to do what I wanted and had no challenge. It left me years later being bored, never doing any work (why bother I still had ok grades that my family prasied) and then bad things happened. Bottom of the line, I could have achieved so much more if there was discipline, pushing and challenge. Instead I got a soft comfortable cocoon.<br /><br />For that reason, I wish that my mom would have been a tiger-mom. Granted, I still wouldn't have been able to have things similar to piano lessons (no money) and maybe still would have been teased at school but these things wouldn't have mattered *now*, when life really matters. There's nothing as depressing as to realise what a waste all of your childhood was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-30991102139019796972013-07-25T04:57:28.943-04:002013-07-25T04:57:28.943-04:00Few will challenge the importance of parents havin...Few will challenge the importance of parents having faith in their children’s possibilities. However, stating that Tiger Parenting is “superior,” even generally speaking, sounds very dangerous as there are a vast number of victims of excessive parental interference in Korea. Majority of my friends who never left Korea grew up with parents making every decision on behalf of them; they either suffered from identity crisis as adults, or still are unsure of what they really want. (Could there be more cultural influence than parental to this? That would be another topic to discuss.)<br /><br />I cannot thank my parents enough for never forcing me to go to hagwons, never imposing their values, and never pretending to know what is best for me. Instead we had lots and lots of discussions to understand one another. I have made most decisions by myself ever since I was 3-4 (extreme, I know). On occasions, my parents would of course make suggestions as to what new things I can try, some of which I accepted and others I declined (again, through discussions where everyone has a say). Throughout my school years I was a straight A student, academically surpassing almost all Tiger Cubs around me, and most importantly, by far I grew up to be the person I wanted to be. <br /><br />I do not argue that laissez-faire parenting is for every child out there, but neither is Tiger Parenting. Children are not blank slates; different approaches should be taken after careful observation of their innate traits.<br />Sonahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13104125442871393789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-16084707670302459082013-07-16T12:23:24.364-04:002013-07-16T12:23:24.364-04:00A very interesting read in the support of Tiger pa...A very interesting read in the support of Tiger parenting. Now there's another term out there - "helicopter" parents that people are being told to eschew. Not the same as tiger parenting, but the backlash against both connotes that people all need to back off and let children do whatever they please. As a second-generation Korean, I am in general agreement that tiger parenting works well, however there really needs to be a way to help children who may be mentally ill or unstable and a lot more empathy from parents could really help if I child is not meeting the parent's "expectations." What comes to mind is Seung-Hui Cho, the Virgina Tech mass shooter, who clearly was not given the support he needed and whatever problems he was facing was probably exacerbated by his korean, fundamentalist, tiger parents. Ceciliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18273510661552112251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-51571833128844372082013-04-04T18:57:59.257-04:002013-04-04T18:57:59.257-04:00http://www.koreabang.com/2013/pictures/extreme-hag...http://www.koreabang.com/2013/pictures/extreme-hagwon-adverts-start-korean-education-debate.html<br /><br />One comment: "I’m not gonna raise my kids like this."Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17226758157157715512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-27187160503665226492013-03-10T15:41:05.277-04:002013-03-10T15:41:05.277-04:00A few points:
1. We need to distinguish the ideal...A few points:<br /><br />1. We need to distinguish the ideal of Tiger parenting as described by Amy Chua with what actually happens in China, South Korea, and probably many other countries. Just read this article criticizing the commonly observed results of Chinese parenting/education: http://readersupportednews.org/pm-section/130-130/16371-a-dirge-for-the-tiger-moms-a-reply-to-amy-chua. It points out that Amy Chua is arguing "from that limited, wealthy set" of "privileged, wealthy, driven über-achievers" to "the majority of Chinese moms". What you typically observe in China is students with a "combination of immaturity, a sense of entitlement, and absolute dependency" because they are not expected to do anything but study. The Korean perhaps concurs with these students' parents that study should indeed be their exclusive focus, but then why do you also see many "slackers" and cheats?<br /><br />2. They say human beings need time both to work and to play or daydream; to alternate between left-brain and right-brain activity. It's true that if we're pushed we usually find we are capable of more than we think we are, but, at the same time, the answer can't always be to work more.<br /><br />3. This isn't to say that the self-esteem movement has the answers. Barbara Ehrenleich here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMzFJ7wjzlM) talks about the cult of positive thinking in America, and the need to be realistic and determined.<br /><br />4. The common thread linking the seemingly opposing ideas of 'Tiger parenting' (by which I mean Chinese/South Korean style mass education) and the cult of positive thinking is that both serve the interests of global corporate capitalism. Companies want people who are willing to work long hours and obey orders without raising a dissenting voice - 'Tiger parenting' trains people to sit inside for long hours working without asking questions, and the cult of positive thinking trains people to think of their natural resentment at poor treatment and doubts at the direction their company is going in as 'negativity'.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17226758157157715512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-73025023715313325212013-01-30T01:54:32.304-05:002013-01-30T01:54:32.304-05:00Cool article about parenting. Thoughts:
Tiger Par...Cool article about parenting. Thoughts:<br /><br />Tiger Parenting: A spectrum? Different kinds of tiger-ness? How do I do it?<br />-> Shall I Discipline very harshly? Just somewhat harsh? When do I discipline them? How do I deal with individual situations? I think that's a pretty good question to ask. I mean, is there's some book entitled "Tiger Parenting: This is how you do it"? It will probably make some Cha-Ching ($$) 차칭<br /><br />Tiger Parenting in Korea: Definitely going to decline.<br />-> There's a recent change in Korean culture since Korea got rich. Koreans even buy their own foreigners for English conversation. Koreans are rolling in some serious dough. Not like Dubai-dough, but rolling in dough none-the-less. And wealth is known to decrease Tigerliness. So this wealth is going to bring on a quick decline in Tigerly Parents.<br /><br />Also, Nigerians are really happy! And they have like, no money or success, or anything:<br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2011/jan/04/nigerians-top-optimism-poll<br /><br />And that's that.Carlos (칼)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17643597732182838551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-13726786350131500982012-11-23T16:49:32.439-05:002012-11-23T16:49:32.439-05:00Parenting is one of the things Americans really lo...Parenting is one of the things Americans really love to fight about! I am a white American in my 50's and have some opinions based on my experience.<br /><br />My parents were strict in some ways, and they did use corporal punishment. I was switched with a branch from an azalea bush for my wrong doings. However, I don't remember what for, so I am not sure it was really useful. I never had to be pressured to study because I liked school. However, I was frequently shamed and yelled at about any sport I ever tried, so I decided that I was useless at sports. <br /><br />Based on that experience, I am not sure how shaming and high expectations work together. If you tell a kid he is stupid or garbage, how is that having high expectations? It makes more sense to me to have high expectations by telling the kid he needs to work harder because he can achieve if he works hard enough. I think you can be just as strict by requiring kids to get all their work done before using any electronic media, for example. Hitting is quick and over, but going without the XBox, phone and TV can be torture!<br /><br />Another point is "professional careers." My father pushed my to study chemical engineering, which could be considered a "practical" career. However, when I graduated in 1983, it was very difficult for chemical engineers to get jobs. Similarly, kids graduating from law school these days have a difficult time getting jobs. I think that a child should study what they are good at or what they are motivated to succeed in and then they can work hard to succeed in that profession. I was an indifferent engineer, and then I went back and got my masters in Speech pathology. I like being a speech pathologist much better than an engineer and have a better aptitude for it so I am more successful in the profession. <br /><br />Lastly, I wanted to describe my experience with a family from Taiwan who brought their teenage daughter to me for language therapy. She was autistic, and had a great deal of difficulty communicating with anyone. Her sister was a Tiger Cub who graduated at the top of her class, etc. However, the family did not have a clue on how to help their autistic daughter. Many families have to be educated on the topic; however, the mom did not seem to understand my explanations of how to help her child. Beating this girl was not going to help her understand anything. Screaming at her to study was not going to help when she had no clue of how to do it. Obviously, these parents had a good idea of how to raise a typical kid, since one daughter was doing so well. However, the Tiger process did not work for a child with autism. What that daughter learned was that violence was OK and she responded with violence to her parents. One size fits all just does not cut it when you are dealing with differences. It's like beating a child who is blind because they cannot see. I firmly believe every child can improve, and I have seen that in my practice, but every child will not improve to the same level. The key is not to define the level, but to bring the child step-by-step into the next higher level of functioning. <br /><br />Consistently improving by working hard is really the philosophy that is going to help every child, no matter their ability or disability. Lonestarslphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10679755032427890665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-70661365478781764612012-11-11T10:15:31.534-05:002012-11-11T10:15:31.534-05:00I have such mixed feelings about the whole Tiger M...I have such mixed feelings about the whole Tiger Mom thing. My mother had a lot of Tiger Mom traits - she pushed all her kids academically, we all had had some kind of classy extra-curricular thing (I started playing violin at 4). I wasn't allowed to watch TV, play videogames, etc. etc. She had a very narrow set of expectations that she wanted all her children to follow and I rebelled every step of the way.<br /><br />I hated her guts and I barely speak to her now. I quit violin in highschool - she railed at me for years for that - and I have barely touched it since because it brings up such awful memories for me. My older sister - who went through a wild party and drug phase as a part of her rebellion - was diagnosed with mental illness in highschool, dropped out, and is now in assisted living. She'll probably never recover and has permanent brain damage. One of my older brothers dropped out of college and lives alone in a beat up trailer and spends most of his time smoking weed. My other brother is doing okay, has a decent job and a kid, but he's by no means any kind of shining measure of worldly success. All of us had top-notch grades in school and did piano, violin, ballet. My life improved wildly after I stopped speaking to my mother. For years I equated academic success with self worth, and would beat myself up over anything less than perfection. Maybe being pushed to excel did help my grades in university, but it sure as hell caused years of depression and social isolation.<br /><br />Maybe there's a way to push your kids to excel without being abusive. I would really like to hear about it, personally. But if it comes down to the way I will raise my own children... I will never be a Tiger Mother.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-37762976721448902822012-09-30T21:57:37.014-04:002012-09-30T21:57:37.014-04:00Even though you gave so many arguments very positi...Even though you gave so many arguments very positive for the tiger parenting still I am not convinced, maybe never be. I´d rather have a happy kid than a smart kid or disciplined, too much pressure of children are put in my opinion but I respect asian culturedogyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07036754402097727468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-71290592548078924692012-09-19T09:49:45.544-04:002012-09-19T09:49:45.544-04:00While I personally think that the American parenti...While I personally think that the American parenting style permits too much freedom to the children, I absolutely do not agree to Tiger parenting either. There must be a way to balance both, somehow!Opalescencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15700505286947317253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-74926894277977509612012-05-16T10:20:49.610-04:002012-05-16T10:20:49.610-04:00DJclooney... I have to say, nationwide, that Asian...DJclooney... I have to say, nationwide, that Asian Americans actually ARE the best-performing "minority" group in education, regardless of if they're 1szt or 2nd generation. That's not to say that African immigrants aren't also very high-achieving & hard-working. I've known many Kenyans in my home city who were very noticeably serious with their education, and achieved greatly! But I think number-wise, I have seen Asians performing & producing results at a consistently greater proportion. (Agreeing with The Korean, where he said that for the small actual amount of their population in a given school, they have a bigger percentage of the highest rankings.Jadujenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12529253460693520165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-55928594549108722392012-02-08T13:45:06.471-05:002012-02-08T13:45:06.471-05:00Just read this in Stephen King's 'On Writi...Just read this in Stephen King's 'On Writing':<br /><br />"When my son Owen was seven or so, he fell in love with Bruce Springsteen's E Street Band, particularly with Clarence Clemons, the band's burly sax player. Owen decided he wanted to learn to play like Clarence. My wife and I were amused and delighted by this ambition. We were hopeful, as any parent would be, that our kid would turn out to be talented, perhaps even some sort of prodigy. We got Owen a tenor saxophone for Christmas and lessons with Gordon Bowie, one of the local music men. Then we crossed our fingers and hoped for the best.<br /><br />Seven months later I suggested to my wife that it was time to discontinue the sax lessons, if Owen concurred. Owen did, and with palpable relief - he hadn't wanted to say it himself, especially not after asking for the sax in the first place, but seven months had been long enough for him to realize that, while he might love Clarence Clemons's big sound, the saxophone was simply not for him - God had not given him that particular talent.<br /><br />I knew, not because Owen stopped practicing, but because he was practicing only during the periods Mr. Bowie had set for him: half an hour after school four days a week, plus an hour on the weekends. Owen mastered the scales and the notes - nothing wrong with his memory, his lungs, or his eye-hand coordination - but we never heard him taking off , surprising himself with something new, blissing himself out. And as soon as practice time was over, it was back into the case with the horn, and there it stayed until the next lesson or practice-time. What this suggested to me was that when it came to the sax and my son, there was never going to be any real play-time; it was all going to be rehearsal. That's no good. If there's no joy in it, it's just no good. It's best to go on to some other area, where the deposits of talent may be richer and the fun quotient higher.<br /><br />Talent renders the whole idea of rehearsal meaningless; when you find something at which you are talented, you do it (whatever it is) until your fingers bleed or your eyes are ready to fall out of your head."<br /><br />It's pretty common for Korean kids to have piano lessons, but I've yet to see any just playing for fun. I realise there may be many reasons for that.<br /><br />So, would a Tiger Mom have pushed Owen to continue, or would they only really push if there were signs of real talent?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17226758157157715512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-91130898488297322522011-10-19T12:22:44.429-04:002011-10-19T12:22:44.429-04:00i love your blog. i'm not korean, but have st...i love your blog. i'm not korean, but have studied the language and culture. I think i should only point out one thing. maybe 2. the term "asian american" - should be expanded to include NON chinese, korean or japanese americans. and then we'd get a better picture of just how "successful" asian americans are.<br />2) sorry to point this out but asian americans ARENT the best performing group in terms of education. that would be african immigrants.DJclooneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11764110371384036052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-48080378974536220712011-09-20T15:45:16.069-04:002011-09-20T15:45:16.069-04:00"Something like a quarter million S Korean me..."Something like a quarter million S Korean men went to Vietnam."<br /><br />I wouldn't say that's the best example, dbagoo, since a lot of Vietnamese really resent Koreans for that even if it was meant well. I still think you have an excellent and valid point, but I would go to troops to Vietnam to support it.TheDisloyalOpposer https://www.blogger.com/profile/17470473546103986977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-49995380927221654482011-09-20T15:37:16.501-04:002011-09-20T15:37:16.501-04:00Generally I find this blog enlightening, but, The ...Generally I find this blog enlightening, but, The Korean, this seems like a cognitive defense mechanism: "Again, I recommend you carefully parse what I said about universalizing Western values, and how in some respects Asia is more cosmopolitan than Western countries. (Some) Asian people accept (some) Western values, which means you can always find research papers from Korea or China that would support the Western worldview -- especially so if that paper is written in English."<br /><br />That is a classic confirmation bias heuristic, the same kind of confirmation bias heuristic you often accuse "Westerners" of. In other words, it gives you away out of research that contradicts your cultural confirmed views, just like say, the reaction many had to fan death. While it is a universal human trait, it isn't a particularly useful one for getting to the truth.TheDisloyalOpposer https://www.blogger.com/profile/17470473546103986977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-41996045439163852412011-07-13T14:25:04.543-04:002011-07-13T14:25:04.543-04:00Response to nickol_3
How do you know tiger moms r...Response to nickol_3<br />How do you know tiger moms raise cold/selfish people? Have you met one? No one is insulting American mothers. The insult is pointed at mothers (American and others, including Asians, yes Asians) who are not raising their children right.<br /><br />Talking about aid, do you know US is not the only nation sending aid to people in the world?<br /><br />And do you know S Korean army sent a large # of combat troops to Vietnam conflict to help out USA and Vietnam? Something like a quarter million S Korean men went to Vietnam.dbagoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977941497214583229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-1352390054758969962011-06-16T03:34:16.527-04:002011-06-16T03:34:16.527-04:00Stumbled across your article whilst doing some res...Stumbled across your article whilst doing some research for a project. When doing my research, I also found this interesting study: http://www.jstor.org/stable/3654381 pretty sure that's the one. Anyway, long story short, it showed that in terms of school grades, Western kids respond better to Western parenting, and Chinese responded better to Chinese parenting, whilst second generation Chinese immigrants responded best to a bit of both. So no, there is no universally superior parenting method. It really is a case of each to their own. And there's some hard evidence to support that.Forannanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12108911224263923370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-23538071468490955462011-04-22T10:15:23.191-04:002011-04-22T10:15:23.191-04:00Tiger moms raise cold, heartless, and selfish peop...Tiger moms raise cold, heartless, and selfish people. You insult American mothers, but we have raised loving caring individuals who come to the aid of people in trouble all over the world. Where's the compassion in these "American Asians"? The American Army that fights for your American rights...I bet a large percent were raised the Western way. Money isn't everything. My God, could you people be anymore greedy? Tiger Parenting sounds like ABUSE! These mothers need therapy! When did we start advocating child abuse?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-46431096764871525042011-03-04T19:36:50.297-05:002011-03-04T19:36:50.297-05:00I agree with most points of Tiger Parenting though...I agree with most points of Tiger Parenting though I was not raised by Tiger Parents myself.<br />However, I have noticed after observing my Vietnamese, Chinese, and Korean friends that those who are raised by Tiger Mothers in a culture where this the norm, or do not try and emulate Western views, find nothing wrong with their upbringing. On the other hand it seems that it they absorb the Western culture that they begin to view themselves as scarred in some way.angelsfallfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04924499443682047694noreply@blogger.com