Monday, October 18, 2010

Here is a piece of news to chew on:
Germany's attempt to create a multi-cultural society has failed completely, Chancellor Angela Merkel said at the weekend, calling on the country's immigrants to learn German and adopt Christian values.
Merkel weighed in for the first time in a blistering debate sparked by a central bank board member saying the country was being made "more stupid" by poorly educated and unproductive Muslim migrants.
"Multikulti", the concept that "we are now living side by side and are happy about it," does not work, Merkel told a meeting of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party at Potsdam near Berlin.
"This approach has failed, totally," she said, adding that immigrants should integrate and adopt Germany's culture and values.
Merkel says German multi-cultural society has failed [Yahoo! News]



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  2. Perhaps part of Germany's problems are encapsulated in some of her other remarks:

    "We feel tied to Christian values. Those who don't accept them don't have a place here," said the chancellor.

    I wasn't aware that learning German was a Christian value.

    More seriously, I'm sure that the chancellor is including things like democracy, education, and human rights as Christian values. They are not- they are actually quite un-Christian values if you take the Bible literally.

    People are irrationally attached to their religion, and therefore it becomes a problem if you imply that someone must give up their religion (as opposed to certain non-essential practices of their religion). To the extent that Germany's immigrants feel excluded solely on the basis of their religion, based on possibly inaccurate remarks like the chancellor's, they are going to resist integration.

  3. The Germans, like so many other Europeans, didn't want to do manual work anymore. They wanted to loll about in cafes and sur la plage and collect limitless government bennies. So they imported cheap labor from Turkey and Pakistan. Marvel of marvels, these people did not turn into Heinrich Heine clones, but instead kept to their Turkish and Pakistani attitudes about society, women, family, and such. Now there's all this friction, and multicultists' insistence that people are all the same except for headgear and cuisine is shown to be rubbish.

  4. Whether its riots in France or the British Muslim populace being a breeding ground for terrorists or the murder of the filmaker in Netherlands, Europe is more multimonocultural rather than multicultural.

    Still, isn't Korea different? In Europe, immigrants came for jobs but people come to Korea for jobs and the Korean wave.

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  6. I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that Christian values only affected extreme cases such as forced marriages and whatnot. Of course my knowledge on the subject is virtually non-existent so I won't complain.
    But what I do know is that from my little experience with Theology, Christianity does actually support these values. (But all religious views aside, this does seem terrible to say the least if not hypocritical of the chancellor.)

  7. I think that The Sanity Inspector gets to the heart of it. While assimilation to the existing culture may be an affront to multiculturalism, the former doesn't test the boundaries of social cohesion quite like the latter.

  8. well that's depressing but why am I not surprised. It's always easier to tell OTHER people to conform than you know, try to change a little yourself.

  9. Again, Canada is left out of the discussion. While Europe continues its retreat into ugly illiberal xenopohobia, Canada's incredibly successful multicultural society marches on proudly. The latest good news story? Calgary - known as a bastion of conservatism in Canada - has just elected a Harvard educated, son of African immigrants, Muslim who wears purple. The future is Canada.

  10. germany's "christian values"? this guy's definitely a politician!

    germany's still inflicting nazi policies on christians who want to teach their kids at home:

  11. As a 2nd generation German/Korean half-breed, reading these comments I can’t help but to put in my 2 cents (or “add my mustard” like we would say in German – yeah, I know, sounds crazy)

    The whole integration debate is really boiling over in the last few weeks in Germany’s politics and media, and as always when anyone wants to have his 15 minutes of medial attention, the debate is anything but led in a reasonably and constructive manner. This is also due to the fact that it has mostly been ignored as long as the respective government could permit to itself. Sadly, it doesn’t look like this will change any time soon.

    @ Sanitory Inspector:

    I would like to correct your judgement by the fact that post-war Germany as a whole has never been above “dirty work”. It did just not have the manpower back then (since the NS-Regime was busy killing any resident not fitting their standards of “genetic purity” and sending everyone else to the slaughter for its mad plans of world domination). The post-war West-German gov also never intended to “keep” the guest-workers, but just assumed that they would leave after having earned some money (as dumb as it sounds). Well, they didn’t, who could possibly blame them for that; since no one told them that they were only seen as a temporary solution. And since the highest part originate in countries with certain cultural differences and no one thought about how to support them in integration – well… As soon as the gov realized it screwed up, it mainly did ignore the problem. Well, it truly doesn’t sound better as “wanting to loll around” but it’s more approximate to the truth.

    @ t-HYPE:

    you are simply misled. Read the wikipedia-article you linked more carefully, specially the last segment then you should realize that Germany did not mindlessly take over some Nazi-Policy, but that the “Schulpflicht”-law as it is conceived today protects concerned kids from the caprice of mind-fucked parents who else would just give them anything but real education, not to mention social behaviour that you only learn when confronted with other kids at a school.

    As for the recent use of Christianity in chancellor Merkels speech as a definement of “German culture”: she’s from the ruling party CDU that stands for Christian Democratic Union (comparable to the Reps in the U.S.). There you have it. The term “German culture” or “guiding culture” is still highly problematic with regard to the integration debate. The steadily increasing islamophobia does not really help there (since a high number of people with migration background are Moslems).

    Greetings to The Korean from Frankfurt. I truly admire your work and your commitment to cultural enlightenment - keep it up!


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